Texas Discussion From The Shout Box

[Guard Dad]

There's a bit of an exchange going on in the Shout Box, and that format really isn't conducive to discussion. So I thought it needed it's own thread.

http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Texas-Gov-Abbott-responds-to-Jade-Helm-15-6229453.php

You thoughts and opinions?

 

[J-man]

While I personally don't believe there is any real reason to fear a "takeover" I also don't think it hurts to monitor the activities of such a strange exercise. With all the craziness going on in the world today it doesn't take much to create doubt in mind of the average American. That speaks volumes about the distrust in government across the board, without regard to party affiliation. To make matters worse, there is also speculation that the five Walmart stores recently closed for "plumbing repairs" are also involved in the military exercise with those facilities being used as staging and logistical areas.

 

[lotstodo]

It smacks of pandering to me. What I find telling is that there is such a large group of voters who so mistrust the federal government that they would call for this. I don't trust this administration as far as I can throw them, but to believe that there is some kind of military takeover in the wings is flat preposterous. It is inconceivable at this point if for no other reason than the fact that the military itself would never follow such an illegal order given by this president or the DOJ.

Judge Pape is certainly right about the fact that "It's a sad when people's greatest fear is their own government." Such fears have not been ginned up from the ether. While extreme, they are based on government actions that many find to be the beginning of a prophecy of the demise of liberty fulfilled. Texas just has a way of making everything bigger.

 

[ShoeDiva]

There was another link in the shout box... here is the text that was there and I hope the other link works too (lets check on that copy paste thing ) )

Stellarvore [28|Apr 10:22 PM]:	http://www.chron.com/news/texas/...53.php
mei lan [29|Apr 12:02 PM]:	Great move on the part of the governor, Stella! Thanks for the link.
Stellarvore [29|Apr 08:02 PM]:	Yeah, I was iffy before, but since he got elected, I've been happy with him.
mrnn [29|Apr 09:18 PM]:	How embarrassing for the people of Texas! Way to legitamize the concerns of absolute whack jobs.
Stellarvore [29|Apr 09:24 PM]:	I'm not embarrassed to have a governor that listens to the concerns of the people. It's YOUR problem if you think people are whack jobs for having an opinion you don't like.
mrnn [30|Apr 12:16 AM]:	It's a legitamite concern to think that a U.S. Joint Military Excercise is not an exercise at all, but rather the U.S. military is about to take over a county in bumtruck Texas? It's not that it's an opinion "I don't like", it's an opinion of people living in extreme paranoia....like a psychologically unhealthy state of paranoia
Stellarvore [30|Apr 01:10 AM]:	And THAT is your opinion. It is an opinion you don't like, because you're in here complaining about it and throwing around mental illnesses. I think I'm the only Texan here, but I can speak for my state when I tell you that we don't really care what you think.
Stellarvore [30|Apr 01:17 AM]:	http://personalliberty.com/and-y...tters/

 

[ShoeDiva]

:cheer1 N :cheer1 N

I did it! (Okay @rolltidega might have fixed it, but I am so happy it works!)

 

[ShoeDiva]

Were the people in a "frenzy" and the Governor sending a letter based solely on speculation and rumors on the internet?

 

[J-man]

:dunno


But apparently enough people voiced concern and he followed through as they requested.

 

[Guard Dad]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to deter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[lotstodo]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to seter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Absolutely. If you want to know why the second amendment exists, this is precisely why. The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting, unless it is the head of a would-be tyrant. The National Guard is really at the disposal of the Governors for this reason. But if the question is one of the appropriateness of calling out the National Guard in this instance, then most people, including myself, would say no.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to deter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Regardless of the right to do it, I personally was not asking if it was the states right, I was asking if it was just as according to the article, based on internet rumors and speculation.

 

[mrnn]

I just had an awesome reply written and it was erased because I hit the "reply" button that is just below the "post" button. Why is there a reply button on my reply screen?

mrnn

 

[mrnn]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to deter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Regardless of the right to do it, I personally was not asking if it was the states right, I was asking if it was just as according to the article, based on internet rumors and speculation.

I'm not going to type out all the crap I had before, you can Google the name of the exercise "Jade Helm 15", but here's a taste of what this idiot Governor's decision is based upon:

Walmart closed some stores and it's because those stores will become HQ for the Department of Homeland security as they install Martial Law. Oh, and there are tunnels between the Walmarts and the training grounds.

There are train cars filled with shackles ready to transport prisoners.

We'll be bringing in actual ISIS fighters for training.

This is an exercise to get people used to seeing armed troops so that Martial Law isn't such a surprise.

To bring Georgia into this, there is a monument in Elbert County, GA, called the Georgia Guidestones. The guidestones were put up by a private citizen and are considered to be an homage to the New World Order (NWO). But wait....Guidestones. Jade Helm. Jade = Stones. Helm = Guide. Jade Helm is fulfilling the NWO prophecy engraved in the Georgia Guidestones!

Just insane stuff. Gov. Abbott is either an idiot who believes this crap or he's an idiot for legitimizing people with these truly insane beliefs. Either way, Gov Abbott is an idiot and I wish Texas would go ahead and secede.

mrnn

 

[J-man]

If I had to guess I'd say you're in the camp of non-believers in whether Nazi concentration camps actually existed. After all, that could never happen because people wouldn't actually do that. As for secession, I'd love for all the social liberals to pack up and move to California then secede. Heck, I'd pay expenses for a few.

 

[The Sound Guy]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to seter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Absolutely. If you want to know why the second amendment exists, this is precisely why. The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting, unless it is the head of a would-be tyrant. The National Guard is really at the disposal of the Governors for this reason. But if the question is one of the appropriateness of calling out the National Guard in this instance, then most people, including myself, would say no.

The way I read it, he asked the Guard to "monitor" the war games. Doesn't sound to me that is equal to "Calling out" and deploying the Guard.

Sounds like he is trying to find a minimum response that keeps those that don't trust the Feds happy that they feel the State is watching closely while not going overboard with a response.

Seems like a good plan to me.

 

[Guard Dad]

Regardless of how well this was handled, it does seem to be the people of the state's right under the second amendment. Specifically, the right to seter a tyrannical federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Absolutely. If you want to know why the second amendment exists, this is precisely why. The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting, unless it is the head of a would-be tyrant. The National Guard is really at the disposal of the Governors for this reason. But if the question is one of the appropriateness of calling out the National Guard in this instance, then most people, including myself, would say no.

The way I read it, he asked the Guard to "monitor" the war games. Doesn't sound to me that is equal to "Calling out" and deploying the Guard.

Sounds like he is trying to find a minimum response that keeps those that don't trust the Feds happy that they feel the State is watching closely while not going overboard with a response.

Seems like a good plan to me.

I tend to agree. And I think it's good, now and then, for the states to let the feds know we have our eyes on them.

 

[Boss 302]

This reminds me of an experience I had in the Summer of 1993. At the end of Desert Storm, the Army shipped a lot of captured Iraqi tanks back to the US for training purposes. These tanks were Russian T-72s and they were in operational condition. The idea was to use them in training exercises so US ground forces could recognize them easily if we ever went to war with the Russians or any other country that used Russian tanks.

During the Summer of 1993, there was a training exercise at Camp Grayling, MI where US, Canadian, and Latvian troops were participating. I was there serving as the Army's liaison to a Canadian military police unit. Residents in the local area saw Canadian and Latvian soldiers and the rumors started spreading that this was all part of a UN takeover. The rumors quickly spread throughout the state and escalated when people saw semis hauling T-72s to Camp Grayling. Next thing you know, there's all kinds of demonstrations taking place outside the main gate to the camp and all kinds of reporters demanding to know what the heck was going on.

Believe it or not, there were people taking credit for the "failed UN military coup" because it was revealed by local residents.

 

[J-man]

We rednecks have to have something to do. What else better than to initiate a conspiracy theory. BTW, I'm watching "America's Book of Secrets" right now, it's about Area 51. opcorn

 

[ShoeDiva]

We rednecks have to have something to do. What else better than to initiate a conspiracy theory. BTW, I'm watching "America's Book of Secrets" right now, it's about Area 51. opcorn

) ) )

 

[stradial]

There is a reason there is the saying, "Don't mess with Texas".

Texas can start their own country anytime they wish.
That's part of the deal the made when they became a state.
I'm surprised they haven't done so already.

Three cheers for Texas.
(regardless of this topic)

 

[Waski_the_Squirrel]

There is a reason there is the saying, "Don't mess with Texas".

Texas can start their own country anytime they wish.
That's part of the deal the made when they became a state.
I'm surprised they haven't done so already.

Three cheers for Texas.
(regardless of this topic)

I'm curious where you found the reference for this. I've never heard anything like that. All I have ever heard was that Texas could be subdivided into 5 states, though that is no longer the case. It was originally there to balance the admission of California as a non-slave owning state.

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/annexation/part5/question7.html