Trump 2024
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cptlo
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Because doing so, he's willing to let a lot more babies be killed.
Some of you are too blinded by your emotions to see what Trump is doing.
Trump is trolling DeSantis, and doing it pretty masterfully. His poll numbers will likely go up even more now, and at the expense of DeSantis',
In spite of statements he made some years ago, Trump was the most pro-life president since Reagain. It was he who laid the ground work for Roe to be overturned, and it was he who restricted federal funding for abortion. Trump willl not increase abortions in any way, he's just moderating the rhetoric to try and get elected.
Trump is trolling DeSantis, and doing it pretty masterfully. His poll numbers will likely go up even more now, and at the expense of DeSantis',
In spite of statements he made some years ago, Trump was the most pro-life president since Reagain. It was he who laid the ground work for Roe to be overturned, and it was he who restricted federal funding for abortion. Trump willl not increase abortions in any way, he's just moderating the rhetoric to try and get elected.
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He got three conservative judges on the bench, and Roe v Wade was overturned. Now he says Florida's heartbeat law is ''terrible.'' He doesn't explain why. In other states, the governor signed heartbeat bills, making them the law. Why does he single out DeSantis? Because DeSantis is running against him. If DeSantis weren't running, Trump would be praising DeSantis as a great governor. He was singing DeSantis' praises before it looked like DeSantis may run. Trump would also think the heartbeat law is great if DeSantis weren't running.
Trump will flip-flop on issues and lie if he believes it will put him ahead. This is why Trump refuses to debate. Doing so would expose him for who he really is. Trump supporters refuse to see him for what he really is.
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cptlo
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Some of us are too blinded by our emotions to see what Trump is doing? That is true, but not the people you are thinking of.
cptlo
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Wait....Trump laid the ground work for Roe to be overturned? He appointed two conservative SCOTUS justices. Any Republican president would have done the same.
Regarding restricting federal funding for abortion? I'm not sure what you are talking about unless I missed something. The Hyde Amendment has been around for a long time. What did Trump do to prevent federal funding for abortion?
Do you mean this?
Trump Administration Blocks Funds for Planned Parenthood and Others Over Abortion Referrals (Published 2019)
The new rule would steer federal family planning funds under Title X to anti-abortion and faith based groups.
If so, Biden reversed that already.
Biden administration rolls back Trump-era rule restricting federal funds to clinics over abortion services
The reversal comes as the Supreme Court will consider a case likely to produce the most important ruling on abortion in 30 years.
www.nbcnews.com
So, how did Trump restrict federal funding for abortions?
He stated that 6 week bans are a terrible thing and a terrible mistake. He suggested he may or may not sign a 15 week ban but he seemed to favor a ban at that level. How would a ban at 15 weeks vs 6 weeks not increase abortions in any way? I'm not following the logic.
cptlo
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Well, if Trump was able to work with Congress maybe he could have gotten a law passed instead of just issuing an executive order? Yes, I know both sides are to blame, but it seems many folks want to forget that.
Also, you stated "it was he who restricted federal funding for abortion" and that is simply not true.
Regarding the part about "he's just moderating the rhetoric to try and get elected", neither Kemp or DeSantis moderated in their states and they won handily in 2022 so I'm not buying that. DeSantis, nor any of the other candidates that I know of except maybe Pence, are for a national ban at 6 weeks. DeSantis has said he would leave it to the states as it should be.
cptlo
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And I'm really curious how the "Trump wouldn't increase abortions in any way" logic works. Seriously, am I missing something with this?
Kemp and DeSantis are in states that fairly conservative, in spite of Georgia going blue last time. Much of the country is not pro-life.
Frankly, that's a ridiculous statement. Trump did get some things through congress, but he can't get everything. Besides, to remove specific funding from a budget, it could take over a year to get done. And federal budgets usually don't specifically tell a department details about what they can and can't spend their money on. Trump did what he could to restrict abortion on a federal level and I'm thankful for it.
Assuming you're referring to me...I'll remind you that I'm the one sitting back and keeping an open mind about the candidates and which I might eventually vote for. I'm also the one who is focused on defeating the Democrats, who actually do what to increase abortions.
Your previous argument that Trump might not be electable has some validity to it. Some of these newer attacks are getting downright silly.
Nikki Haley has also drawn attention to the fact that the abortion issue can be a loser for the GOP. If they don't get elected, the Democrats will, and that will absolutely tend to increase abortions.
cptlo
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Agreed, but let's say Trump gets his grand compromise into law with a 15 week ban. How would that not increase abortions in states that currently have 6 week bans?
cptlo
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It isn't a ridiculous statement when you factor in all the other things he accomplished via EO instead of lasting legislation. Heck, even the tax cut he was able to get passed has a sunset provision in it. He simply wasn't able to work the system to enact lasting change. Again, yes, I know he doesn't deserve all the blame, but he certainly deserves some of it.
What Trump did via EO was essentially defunding Planned Parenthood. That is a good thing but it is quite a bit different from "it was he who restricted federal funding for abortion" as you mentioned earlier.
He would have no authority to tell the states what their abortion laws must be. State's Rights.
Apparently, Trump did work with congress on it. What he signed was a resolution that restricted funding for abortions.
Trump signs resolution allowing U.S. states to block family planning funds
President Donald Trump on Thursday signed a resolution that will allow U.S. states to restrict how federal funds for contraception and reproductive health are spent, a move cheered by anti-abortion campaigners.
www.reuters.com