One of largest Christian churches in US departs Southern Baptists following vote to ban women from pulpit

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I'm a member of a SBC church, but I'm not a big fan of the SBC itself. Reason being, I'm not crazy about the whole idea of bureaucracies controlling or trying to control churches.

While the SBC is Biblically correct about women being pastors, is it necessary to pass a ban on them? Sometimes I think the SBC goes too far.

I'm also not a fan of megachurches and the new age religion stuff.

I'm not going to condone either party here, I'll just say this whole mess is the work of the Devil.

 
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The SBC served its purpose years ago when they needed some organization. IMO it has become a centralized power and money hungry organization which Jesus would probably flipped tables at if He were here today.
 
The Bible is quite clear about women not being preachers. The SBC believes this as well. I understand that Pastor Steven Furtick, founder of Elevation Church, allows his wife to preach. Elevation Church voluntarily joined the SBC when it first started. By creating the ban, the SBC is enforcing what the Bible says. What's wrong with that?
 
The Bible is quite clear about women not being preachers. The SBC believes this as well. I understand that Pastor Steven Furtick, founder of Elevation Church, allows his wife to preach. Elevation Church voluntarily joined the SBC when it first started. By creating the ban, the SBC is enforcing what the Bible says. What's wrong with that?
Nothing, I'm just not crazy about the church hierarchy thing.
 
You have a hierarchy in your church, don't you?
I was referring to the SBC trying to control individual churches. That's what I'm not crazy about. Same with the Vatican controlling the Catholics, the UMC, etc.
 
I was referring to the SBC trying to control individual churches. That's what I'm not crazy about. Same with the Vatican controlling the Catholics, the UMC, etc.
There's a reason for it. Look at McDonald's or anyother organization that sells franchises. You buy into Mickey D's and own your own franchise, you still have to abide by their corporate rules no matter much you hate them having some control over your business. If a Baptist Church doesn't like the SBC, then go non-denominational.
 
There's a reason for it. Look at McDonald's or anyother organization that sells franchises. You buy into Mickey D's and own your own franchise, you still have to abide by their corporate rules no matter much you hate them having some control over your business. If a Baptist Church doesn't like the SBC, then go non-denominational.
That's business, church is different. Church has it's orders in the Bible.
 
That's business, church is different. Church has it's orders in the Bible.
If you're the SBC, you can't have all the churches within your organization doing what they want. What if a Southern Baptist church allows homosexuals and transgenders to be preachers in their church? Does it not give all the other churches in the SBC a bad name?
 
If you're the SBC, you can't have all the churches within your organization doing what they want. What if a Southern Baptist church allows homosexuals and transgenders to be preachers in their church? Does it not give all the other churches in the SBC a bad name?
All we need to do is to look at the UMC to see the potential danger in having central control of churches.
 
Note: I have no issue with "associations" that exist to assist churches, but I'm not crazy about the central control thing.
 
I don't have any problem with the SBC laying out rules such as the women "Pastors" issue. I'm not surprised that "some" churches within the SBC around the country may feel the tug to allow certain activities that tend to go against or contrary to the "canon" that the SBC has established. In those cases, those particular churches should separate from the SBC willingly.

Our church is also Southern Baptist and if and when they ever adopt allowing women to preach or approve of gay marriage, I would hope ours would pull out of the SBC so fast that all they could see was the dust from our feet. And, after getting to know our pastor better I have no worries at all that it would be the first thing he did.

But you'll notice these days how so many churches are beginning to step away from calling themselves Baptists. "Down the Road Church" "Happy Hills Church". Those are made-up names, but you know what I'm talking about. I don't know if they are ashamed or think that including the word "Baptist" in their name is too old fashioned. Me, I'm not ashamed at all to be associated with the Baptist Church. Blood Bought, old time Baptist Churches are too few and far between these days.

Edited to add: I chuckle every time I drive down Hiram-Sudie Road and see this one particular church. It used to be a Church of God that the Pioneers used to sing for every year. They moved out and built a new church and it was taken over by a group who named it, "Reliant Church". I have no idea what they believe, but the first time I saw it, I though it was an HVAC company. :laugh2:
 
I went to a small Methodist Church on Old Cartersville Rd. It's now called Mount Olive Haitian Church all because of a female Methodist minister. She was power-hungry and didn't care what the Book of Discipline said, she wanted to control everything. Everyone but a family of five left. It could no longer support itself so it got closed down by higher powers. There were people whose families had been members there for more than 100 years and were buried in the church's cemetery.
 
I went to a small Methodist Church on Old Cartersville Rd. It's now called Mount Olive Haitian Church all because of a female Methodist minister. She was power-hungry and didn't care what the Book of Discipline said, she wanted to control everything. Everyone but a family of five left. It could no longer support itself so it got closed down by higher powers. There were people whose families had been members there for more than 100 years and were buried in the church's cemetery.
And that is the major issue with the UMC, there is no control per the Discipline. The Bishops are allowing a pastor to do whatever they want.

The media tries to make it out like its' an anti gay thing, but that is a very small part of the global issue with the US Bishops.
 
I think the ONLY issue I've ever had with the SBC, and it's a stretch to call it an "issue", is their direction or "suggestion" about what to teach. Like the quarterly you have in Sunday School. I used to teach SS years ago and the quarterly occasionally suggested you teach on something that I didn't feel was as relevant at that particular moment as some other subject. I think many preachers follow a similar pattern and preach on certain topics suggested by the SBC at certain times. I don't hold that against any pastor, but I prefer a pastor who will stand and preach on something he feels the Lord has laid on his heart for that day. Every church and congregation is different and faces different issues. I'm just not crazy about a "one size fits all" message.
 
I certainly support SBC but they are rip with issues, just stream their annual SBC Convention and listen to the business topics. However, there are issues with any large organization and especially when large amounts of money is involved so I don't get overly concerned with it. I'm a conservative southern baptist and will not hang around any church that strays from the conservative preaching of God's Word. It doesn't have to be from the "red letter" edition but it has to be from His word. I firmly believe that people are "called" to attend a particular church, for me that is a conservative baptist church. For others, it may be Reliant or any other christian church not including the word baptist. This is a current topic of discussion among several bike riders in our riding group. Many attend churches that don't have a baptist name on them but I can attest that most of these men are conservative christians who are on fire for the Lord and serve often in ways that give them the opportunity to share the Word. I've attended some of their church services as well and although theirs don't necessarily follow the order of service that I'm familiar with I can vouch that the preaching was directly from the Word and the Spirit was moving among the crowd. Not necessarily my church tasted but suitable for others. It's an interesting topic and can get heated quickly if not handled delicately.
 
Now CNN is all in for Women converting Jesus' Church into "social Justice" organizations.


More women are aiming to become church leaders. Together, they could change American Christianity​

CNN —
Christian leadership in the US has typically been seen as a male occupation. The right for women to be ordained and serve as faith leaders has been hard-won over decades, and in several major factions, like the Roman Catholic and Southern Baptist churches, women are barred from the highest levels of leadership.
However, among mainstream denominations that do ordain women, a sea change is occurring. More women are entering seminary and other theological programs with the intent of becoming priests. As it follows, more women are also occupying those roles after being ordained.
Experts say one of the main reasons for the increase is that women of faith are looking at their religious traditions and sensing a need for change.

“Women — and men — in the church, have seen abuse and suffering. They’ve seen the role of the patriarchy in the church. They want to address constructively some of these challenges that have been facing both the church and in our society,” says Alexis Abernethy, chief academic officer at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California. “They’re saying, ‘Enough of this. We need to be different.’ So I think a lot of these women are marshaling energy in that direction.”
However, female priests still face an alarming number of challenges navigating institutional structures built by and for men — challenges that are similar to those faced by women in other workplaces. These challenges also sow deep examinations of faith: If church traditions have historically marginalized women and others, what leads those who have been excluded to forge on anyway?

How the presence of women church leaders has grown​

The definitions of Christian leaders, the process by which they are selected and the specific credentials needed to fill such positions vary from denomination to denomination. A church leader could be called a priest, a pastor, a rector, a minister or some other term. Ordination is the process by which someone is given the authority for these positions, and there is sometimes a hierarchy within each position. Oftentimes, training at a seminary or theological institution is necessary for ordination. This process can get a little murky with some groups that have less centralized leadership structures. However, numbers across different denominations reveal the same pattern: More women in training, more women being ordained.

Let’s look at a specific example: In the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, a large denomination with about 4 million members in the US, 40% of the church’s pastors are women, according to a 2022 report from the church. Women also made up 46% of all bishop positions, and 54% of associate or assistant pastors (though only 22% of senior pastor positions). Across the board, these numbers marked a dramatic increase from the ELCA’s 2015 data. (The ELCA began ordaining women in 1970.)
Research from noted theologian Eileen Campbell-Reed paints a broader picture. Her 2018 report reveals the proportion of US clergy who are women rose from 2.3% in 1960 to 20.7% in 2016. She also noted most mainline denominations have seen their proportion of clergywomen rise in multiples since the early 1990s. In some denominations, like Unitarian Universalists and the United Church of Christ, the number of women in clergy positions has pulled even with men.

How women can change the church that is​

Fuller Theological Seminary, where Abernethy works, is one of the largest seminaries in the US and one with a noted history of championing female faith leaders.
“The question used to be whether women should even be pastors, but that’s not as critical a question anymore in some denominations,” she tells CNN. “Now the question is, how can we make the environment in which women are pastors more fruitful, productive and supportive?”
She says having women in roles of power can help amend church structures that are inhospitable to underrepresented people and clear wider paths for acceptance and empowerment among communities.
“Power and privilege is not always a bad thing. Sometimes it can mean the opportunity to speak and share your perspective,” she says. “Folks who’ve been marginalized or oppressed, have a clearer radar regarding things like power and when it’s abusive, or when people are being excluded. At their best, they would then not set up systems that perpetuate that exclusion — although that requires courage and energy and people need to be attentive to that fact.”
 
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