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I participated in a discussion on this. Some people seem to believe God said they could be because Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of Jesus were the first to tell anyone Jesus had risen. However, that is not the gospel. The gospel is much more than Jesus had risen from the dead. 2 Timothy 2; 11-12 ''11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.'' There are some people who claim that does not apply today, that women can be preachers. They believe that, but they can't prove God changed his mind. BTW what gender was the majority believing women can be preachers? Women.
 
The first church I realized a woman was the pastor... was also the first church I heard was marrying same sex couples.

I don't care if gay people are "married", You do you.

I do care that the church "sanctified" it by performing the ceremony. AND now I care that the slippery slope is being greased to pervert and mutilate our kids to become transgender.

We all sin, but the church is not to celebrate it.
 
This is an issue where things are sometimes taken out of context, and possibly misunderstood when translated to modern English.

The real meaning behind it s that women should not exercise doctrinal authority over a man. So no, women should not be pastors. But they absolutely can serve, and teach so long as the "teaching" is not exercising doctrinal authority.

Some translations of 1st and 2nd Timothy as it relates to this substitute the terms wife and husband for woman and man. Meaning. parts of those scriptures might have been referring to within a marriage. EX: A wife should not have doctrinal authority over her husband. This would be consistent with

Ephesians 5:23​




23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
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God's word is clear that the man (husband, father) is the spiritual leader of the family.

So what about modern problems such as a single mom or a traditional family where the man is not Christian? Does a mother teach her son, even an adult son about Jesus? Does she quote scripture for support?

Can a woman witness to a man? Can she share Jesus with him?

I tend to think God would be OK with both these scenarios.
Was Mary Magdalene wrong to tell of Jesus' resurrection? Certainly, she was ministering to some degree. I mean, she and Joanna were telling this to the apostles (men).

“Now it was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles.” Luke 24:10 NIV
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And then there's this:

Jesus broke down more cultural barriers when He took a detour through Samaria. There, He had an encounter with an immoral woman (John 4:4–26). The fact that she was a Samaritan was enough to bar her from any conversation with a self-respecting Jew, but, to make matters worse in the disciples’ eyes, she was a woman (verse 27). As they watched, their Master transformed that woman and through her impacted an entire city with His message of hope and redemption (verses 39–41).
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We all know women were kinda second class citizens in those times. Yet Jesus surrounded himself with women he trusted and used them to help spread his message.

So women certainly have their roll in ministry. If men would fulfill their Biblical responsibilities instead of being the panty wastes so many men are these days, it really wouldn't be much of a problem.
 
Guard Dad said:
This is an issue where things are sometimes taken out of context, and possibly misunderstood when translated to modern English.

The real meaning behind it s that women should not exercise doctrinal authority over a man. So no, women should not be pastors. But they absolutely can serve, and teach so long as the "teaching" is not exercising doctrinal authority.

Some translations of 1st and 2nd Timothy as it relates to this substitute the terms wife and husband for woman and man. Meaning. parts of those scriptures might have been referring to within a marriage. EX: A wife should not have doctrinal authority over her husband. This would be consistent with



God's word is clear that the man (husband, father) is the spiritual leader of the family.

So what about modern problems such as a single mom or a traditional family where the man is not Christian? Does a mother teach her son, even an adult son about Jesus? Does she quote scripture for support?

Can a woman witness to a man? Can she share Jesus with him?

I tend to think God would be OK with both these scenarios.
Was Mary Magdalene wrong to tell of Jesus' resurrection? Certainly, she was ministering to some degree. I mean, she and Joanna were telling this to the apostles (men).



And then there's this:



We all know women were kinda second class citizens in those times. Yet Jesus surrounded himself with women he trusted and used them to help spread his message.

So women certainly have their roll in ministry. If men would fulfill their Biblical responsibilities instead of being the panty wastes so many men are these days, it really wouldn't be much of a problem.
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1 Timothy 2; 11-14 “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”

There are many instances in Scripture where women were engaged in ministry, and rightfully so. Christian women are gifted and called to serve the Lord. Those ministries though were never as the spiritual leader over men. My father was ordained as a minister with the Assemblies of God. My father was called to a prison ministry. My mother taught herself to play piano to make it easier for the male prisoners to sing hymns. That was her ministry and it did not exercising authority over the inmates. There were many women in the Bible who did something within the ministry, i.e. caring for the sick, feeding the poor, etc. However, they did not preach to men.

Some want to argue that because the times have changed and women are no longer second class citizens, God doesn't mind they be the minister of a church. If we are to believe the Bible is God's Word, then the argument times have changed does not wash.
 
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