Robert F. Kennedy Jr files to run for president

Guard Dad said:
LOL. You just wouldn't be able to stand it if Bobby was in this to help Trump.
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Give us the name of one candidate in the history of our presidential elections who ran without the aspiration to win and instead ran to help take votes away from one to help another.
 
Boss 302 said:
Give us the name of one candidate in the history of our presidential elections who ran without the aspiration to win and instead ran to help take votes away from one to help another.
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Forget about aspirations and consider their odds of winning. Not a single 3rd party candidate in history had a real chance of winning the Electoral vote, not one. In the handful of races where a 3rd part candidate got a significant percentage of the popular vote; they ended up splitting the vote for the main party they were most like, allowing the remaining candidate to win. AKA, spoiler.

Bobby is a smart man, he knows he has no chance of winning, so he's in it for an ulterior motive. Whether it's to sound the alarm on how radical the Democratic Party has become, draw attention to his anti-vax position, to help Trump win, or something else; he's there for some other reason than winning.

As to your question, there's no way to know for sure, but Ralph Nader and Ross Perot have both been accused of being in the race only as a spoiler. Ross Perot had a weird hatred for Bush.
 
Here's the best of the best of 3rd party candidates. Notice the last one was in 1992, and Perot got zero electoral votes. Kennedy is polling less than Perot got, so tell me again how he has aspirations to win?



The following are third party and independent candidates who received more than 10% of the total popular vote.


YearPartyNomineeRunning-Mate# Votes% Votes% Votes
On Ballot		Electoral VotesPlaceNotes
1912​
4,120,609​
27.39 / 100
27.86 / 100
88 / 531
2nd​
​
1856​
872,703​
21.54 / 100
21.54 / 100
8 / 296
3rd​
​
1992​
Independent​
19,743,821​
18.91 / 100
18.91 / 100
0 / 538
​
1860​
851,844​
18.20 / 100
22.04 / 100
72 / 303
2nd​
​
1924​
4,833,821​
16.62 / 100
16.69 / 100
13 / 531
3rd​
​
1968​
9,901,118​
13.53 / 100
13.56 / 100
46 / 538
​
1860​
590,946​
12.62 / 100
15.43 / 100
39 / 303
​
1848​
291,475​
10.13 / 100
13.79 / 100
0 / 290
​
 
Guard Dad said:
Forget about aspirations and consider their odds of winning. Not a single 3rd party candidate in history had a real chance of winning the Electoral vote, not one. In the handful of races where a 3rd part candidate got a significant percentage of the popular vote; they ended up splitting the vote for the main party they were most like, allowing the remaining candidate to win. AKA, spoiler.

Bobby is a smart man, he knows he has no chance of winning, so he's in it for an ulterior motive. Whether it's to sound the alarm on how radical the Democratic Party has become, draw attention to his anti-vax position, to help Trump win, or something else; he's there for some other reason than winning.

As to your question, there's no way to know for sure, but Ralph Nader and Ross Perot have both been accused of being in the race only as a spoiler. Ross Perot had a weird hatred for Bush.
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You're making a lot of assumptions here.
 
Guard Dad said:
Here's the best of the best of 3rd party candidates. Notice the last one was in 1992, and Perot got zero electoral votes. Kennedy is polling less than Perot got, so tell me again how he has aspirations to win?



The following are third party and independent candidates who received more than 10% of the total popular vote.


YearPartyNomineeRunning-Mate# Votes% Votes% Votes
On Ballot		Electoral VotesPlaceNotes
1912​
4,120,609​
27.39 / 10027.86 / 10088 / 531
2nd​
​
1856​
872,703​
21.54 / 10021.54 / 1008 / 296
3rd​
​
1992​
Independent​
19,743,821​
18.91 / 10018.91 / 1000 / 538
​
1860​
851,844​
18.20 / 10022.04 / 10072 / 303
2nd​
​
1924​
4,833,821​
16.62 / 10016.69 / 10013 / 531
3rd​
​
1968​
9,901,118​
13.53 / 10013.56 / 10046 / 538
​
1860​
590,946​
12.62 / 10015.43 / 10039 / 303
​
1848​
291,475​
10.13 / 10013.79 / 1000 / 290
​
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So you believe those on this list ran not to win but to prevent someone else from winning? I have to disagree with that.
 
I could be wrong but I bet some of these folks really think/thought they could win. Remember they are surrounded by "yes" people that tell them "heck yes, you could win if this and that happens" despite the chances being virtually zero.
 
cptlo said:
I could be wrong but I bet some of these folks really think/thought they could win. Remember they are surrounded by "yes" people that tell them "heck yes, you could win if this and that happens" despite the chances being virtually zero.
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A handful, I suspect. But most had to know they couldn't win. They were in it for some other reason.
 
I should state again that no one wants a viable 3rd party more than I do. But the reality is; until that magic candidate comes along, it ain't happening.

I believe the No Labels guy said pretty much the same thing, the magic candidate never appeared.
 
cptlo said:
I could be wrong but I bet some of these folks really think/thought they could win. Remember they are surrounded by "yes" people that tell them "heck yes, you could win if this and that happens" despite the chances being virtually zero.
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Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third-party candidate. I seriously doubt he entered the race thinking he couldn't win. Ross Perot thought he could win. I doubt he invested millions of his own dollars believing he would lose.
 
Boss 302 said:
Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third-party candidate. I seriously doubt he entered the race thinking he couldn't win. Ross Perot thought he could win. I doubt he invested millions of his own dollars believing he would lose.
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Those are two examples of candidates who probably did think they could win. Teddy had already been president, but he ended up splitting the Republican vote.

Perot might could have won had he not quit and then came back in. Add to that the black helicopter story and a lot of people thought he was a nut.
 
Guard Dad said:
Those are two examples of candidates who probably did think they could win. Teddy had already been president, but he ended up splitting the Republican vote.

Perot might could have won had he not quit and then came back in. Add to that the black helicopter story and a lot of people thought he was a nut.
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At any rate, neither entered the race to lose. Kennedy didn't enter to lose either.
 
Guard Dad said:
Here's the best of the best of 3rd party candidates. Notice the last one was in 1992, and Perot got zero electoral votes. Kennedy is polling less than Perot got, so tell me again how he has aspirations to win?



The following are third party and independent candidates who received more than 10% of the total popular vote.


YearPartyNomineeRunning-Mate# Votes% Votes% Votes
On Ballot		Electoral VotesPlaceNotes
1912​
4,120,609​
27.39 / 10027.86 / 10088 / 531
2nd​
​
1856​
872,703​
21.54 / 10021.54 / 1008 / 296
3rd​
​
1992​
Independent​
19,743,821​
18.91 / 10018.91 / 1000 / 538
​
1860​
851,844​
18.20 / 10022.04 / 10072 / 303
2nd​
​
1924​
4,833,821​
16.62 / 10016.69 / 10013 / 531
3rd​
​
1968​
9,901,118​
13.53 / 10013.56 / 10046 / 538
​
1860​
590,946​
12.62 / 10015.43 / 10039 / 303
​
1848​
291,475​
10.13 / 10013.79 / 1000 / 290
​
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Imagine Curtis LeMay as president.....


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I can't imagine choosing this person as a running mate if winning the race was the goal. Besides her having money to pour into the campaign, her abortion and feminist views might attract some pro-choice Biden voters who are disillusioned with him.


RFK Jr. running mate shares views on abortion after Arizona ruling

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RFK Jr. running mate shares views on abortion after Arizona ruling

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s running mate, Nicole Shanahan, shared her views on abortion in a lengthy post online after the Arizona Supreme Court abortion law made national news Tuesday. “People are ask…
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