The Pope Endorses Same-Sex Unions

Guard Dad

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OK, I don't want to get into gay bashing and stuff, we should love them like everyone else. But some things, and we all probably do some of them, are not OK with God's word.

But does this guy own a Bible? I'm not a Catholic basher, but IMO, they need to dump this guy before he destroys the faith.

 

The Sound Guy

Pursuit Driver
Doesn't look like he's changing the Faith in any way, just supporting the idea of an alternative to marriage, a government civil union, be supported.

Perhaps he's hoping that will reduce the pressure on the church to directly support same sex marriage. I don't think it will work, most of the activists I've seen want to beat down the church and are not interested in just protecting their rights, they don't like someone saying they are wrong.
 

Grey Colson

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The lovely and gracious Mrs. Colson and I were talking about this last night and I'll tell y'all what I told her. I wouldn't be surprised to see a split in the Catholic Church if this insane and sin filled activity continues from this misguided, self-proclaimed deity on Earth. We speculated that it's a possibility he might be a pedophile and I'm not saying that to be mean either. Strange that most people are expected to be an expert in their field when hired to do a very high ranking job in the public eye, but it doesn't appear that this guy has even read the basic scriptures, let alone the entire Bible.
 

The Sound Guy

Pursuit Driver
Can a pope even be removed? As I recall, their election as Pope is supposed to be God inspired, so they are not allowed to remove one.

Ah - found this on line:



There is no process in current canon law for a pope to removed by anyone from his office. He can freely resign (as Benedict did) or he can die.

An ecumenical council can depose a pope, we know from history. But getting an ecumenical council together without a pope is seemingly impossible at this time.

A pope can be forcibly removed from office and exiled by military force, or by the intervention of a state power, but that is not considered licit. But had Napoleon or Hitler captured the pope and stuck him in a prison camp, he would have de facto been removed from the ability to exercise his office, at which point most popes would tender their resignation or have had some protocol put into place. Pius XII, for example, had prepared a letter of resignation for this eventuality under Hitler.

If a pope were an apostate - that is, if he lost his faith entirely in Christianity and/or converted to another religion altogether (Islam, Buddhism, et al.) then he would de facto cease to be bishop of Rome. Hopefully he would resign at that point as there is no mechanism for declaring him an apostate and removing him.

If a pope were a heretic - that is, in a formal and official way rejecting a dogma of the Christian faith, like the Trinity - then he could be tried by an ecumenical council, but the process for this is not outlined in canon law, only by historical consensus.

(Note that neither some uncredentialed armchair theologian or parish priest on facebook, nor a disgruntled retiree who never got the red hat he wanted, does not qualify to declare the pope a heretic).

There is no provision, though there probably should be, for a pope debilitated by some degenerative disease, or for popes to retire after a certain age or length of time in office.

Bottom line, it is up to the pope and to God when the pope’s time is done. No one else.
 

Guard Dad

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In my limited understanding of Catholicism, I believe the Pope is considered to be a near deity. So perhaps Catholics believe they have no authority over him.

Again, my opinion probably doesn't count, but I think this is a dangerous set of "rules" to operate by. The Bible warns us one the one who will deceive us, and it appears that if the Catholics were to make a bad man Pope, they have no recourse in dealing with it. IMO, there should always be accountability.
 

Stonewall

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OK hear me out before you excommunicate me. All religions are man made. They may be inspired by God but they are created and evolve at the hand of man. They make there own rules/laws based on spiritual text for the most part but with a heavy dose of man kinds wants and desires. Of all the major religions the Catholic branch of Christianity seems to have a very troubled past and more of man than God. Catholics put man at a level pretty close to God. Priest can forgive your sins or at least play middle man between you and God. Mary and the saints all of whom were flesh and blood have the ascended to the level of entities of God. Many atrocities have been financed or demanded by the hierarchy of the Church of Rome. (Yes many other religions are responsible for the same type of purging or conquest, don't get me stared on Islam). This level of corruption and evil does not equate to what I consider as Godly or righteous. Therefore I see this statement by the Pope as just another sell out of conviction to maintain power and appease the masses. JMO.
 
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