Tolerance

[LisaC]

This one left me shaking my head. I was talking to someone today and they were talking about how Christians need to learn to be "tolerant." You know me, I had to ask what was his definition of "tolerance." He said, "Christians need to stop talking about their God and listen to other religions." When I told him that wasn't tolerance, he looked seriously confused. I told him to google it.

 

[Madea]

:BH I've been conditioned to hate the word "tolerance". I absolutely refuse to teach my children tolerance. I choose to teach them respect.

 

[deewee]

:BH I've been conditioned to hate the word "tolerance". I absolutely refuse to teach my children tolerance. I choose to teach them respect.

:thumbsup

 

[I'm Floored]

:BH I've been conditioned to hate the word "tolerance". I absolutely refuse to teach my children tolerance. I choose to teach them respect.

:firstplace

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

 

[LisaC]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

I don't think he meant that we preach hate. I think he meant that it was time for Christians to step away from our God and follow his. The next part of our conversation moved into how if I really listened to the Muslim faith, I would follow it. When I told him that I couldn't be a part of any religion that didn't believe in Jesus, he told me that was why Christians are not "tolerant." At that point, I had to tell him that I had tolerated as much of him as I could so it was time for me to walk away...

So tell me - if we are unwilling to compromise our faith and values, does that mean we lack "tolerance" for those that are willing to do so?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

I don't think he meant that we preach hate. I think he meant that it was time for Christians to step away from our God and follow his. The next part of our conversation moved into how if I really listened to the Muslim faith, I would follow it. When I told him that I couldn't be a part of any religion that didn't believe in Jesus, he told me that was why Christians are not "tolerant." At that point, I had to tell him that I had tolerated as much of him as I could so it was time for me to walk away...

So tell me - if we are unwilling to compromise our faith and values, does that mean we lack "tolerance" for those that are willing to do so?

Then why isn't he tolerant of yours? Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. You're killed if you do anything other than mohammed and allah. I wonder if he is going to be able to "tolerate" the heat in hell?

 

[LisaC]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

I don't think he meant that we preach hate. I think he meant that it was time for Christians to step away from our God and follow his. The next part of our conversation moved into how if I really listened to the Muslim faith, I would follow it. When I told him that I couldn't be a part of any religion that didn't believe in Jesus, he told me that was why Christians are not "tolerant." At that point, I had to tell him that I had tolerated as much of him as I could so it was time for me to walk away...

So tell me - if we are unwilling to compromise our faith and values, does that mean we lack "tolerance" for those that are willing to do so?

Then why isn't he tolerant of yours? Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. You're killed if you do anything other than mohammed and allah. I wonder if he is going to be able to "tolerate" the heat in hell?

Because he doesen't see that he has to be tolerant of mine - he only sees that Christianity is the predominant religion in the U.S. and that WE need to step aside and be tolerant of him. I guess in his opinion that it doesn't have to be a two-way street.

This has really had me burning some brain cells. I've always thought that I was a tolerant person when it came to religious beliefs, but now I'm wondering if I might have a little superiority complex because I know where I'm going and what I believe. And, I'm sometimes impatient with people who aren't at the same place, even in their own faith (if you believe it, own it). It leaves me asking if this is similar to those who were around during the times of segregation and civil rights - they all had to put some of their beliefs aside and allow (tolerate) people that were different from them to step up and show that they were equal. Is this the same situation?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

I don't think he meant that we preach hate. I think he meant that it was time for Christians to step away from our God and follow his. The next part of our conversation moved into how if I really listened to the Muslim faith, I would follow it. When I told him that I couldn't be a part of any religion that didn't believe in Jesus, he told me that was why Christians are not "tolerant." At that point, I had to tell him that I had tolerated as much of him as I could so it was time for me to walk away...

So tell me - if we are unwilling to compromise our faith and values, does that mean we lack "tolerance" for those that are willing to do so?

Then why isn't he tolerant of yours? Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. You're killed if you do anything other than mohammed and allah. I wonder if he is going to be able to "tolerate" the heat in hell?

Because he doesen't see that he has to be tolerant of mine - he only sees that Christianity is the predominant religion in the U.S. and that WE need to step aside and be tolerant of him. I guess in his opinion that it doesn't have to be a two-way street.

This has really had me burning some brain cells. I've always thought that I was a tolerant person when it came to religious beliefs, but now I'm wondering if I might have a little superiority complex because I know where I'm going and what I believe. And, I'm sometimes impatient with people who aren't at the same place, even in their own faith (if you believe it, own it). It leaves me asking if this is similar to those who were around during the times of segregation and civil rights - they all had to put some of their beliefs aside and allow (tolerate) people that were different from them to step up and show that they were equal. Is this the same situation?

I don't think it is anything like it. You have no personal power over them or the ability to make them conform to your beliefs that segregation did. Christianity doesn't preach superiority over others. At least true Christianity doesn't.

 

[LisaC]

I don't think it is anything like it. You have no personal power over them or the ability to make them conform to your beliefs that segregation did. Christianity doesn't preach superiority over others. At least true Christianity doesn't.

But, I do have confidence in where I am going when I die and will gladly tell anyone who asks me if "I know that I know." That might come across as a superiority complex to some who haven't reached that point in their faith (whether Christian or not).

 

[Foxmeister]

Tolerance means that all Christians should stop preaching hate. In other words, shut up and allow the rest of the world to stomp on you.

I don't think he meant that we preach hate. I think he meant that it was time for Christians to step away from our God and follow his. The next part of our conversation moved into how if I really listened to the Muslim faith, I would follow it. When I told him that I couldn't be a part of any religion that didn't believe in Jesus, he told me that was why Christians are not "tolerant." At that point, I had to tell him that I had tolerated as much of him as I could so it was time for me to walk away...

So tell me - if we are unwilling to compromise our faith and values, does that mean we lack "tolerance" for those that are willing to do so?

Then why isn't he tolerant of yours? Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. You're killed if you do anything other than mohammed and allah. I wonder if he is going to be able to "tolerate" the heat in hell?

Because he doesen't see that he has to be tolerant of mine - he only sees that Christianity is the predominant religion in the U.S. and that WE need to step aside and be tolerant of him. I guess in his opinion that it doesn't have to be a two-way street.

This has really had me burning some brain cells. I've always thought that I was a tolerant person when it came to religious beliefs, but now I'm wondering if I might have a little superiority complex because I know where I'm going and what I believe. And, I'm sometimes impatient with people who aren't at the same place, even in their own faith (if you believe it, own it). It leaves me asking if this is similar to those who were around during the times of segregation and civil rights - they all had to put some of their beliefs aside and allow (tolerate) people that were different from them to step up and show that they were equal. Is this the same situation?

I don't think it is anything like it. You have no personal power over them or the ability to make them conform to your beliefs that segregation did. Christianity doesn't preach superiority over others. At least true Christianity doesn't.

I remember while I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, we were told not to wear anything of a religious nature that could be seen by the Saudis as the Saudis didn't want us to. Is that displaying tolerance by Muslims? Not at all. How many Muslim nations are tolerant of Christianity? Christian churches are being set afire in Egypt by Muslims. Is that displaying tolerance? Not at all.

 

[Foxmeister]

I don't think it is anything like it. You have no personal power over them or the ability to make them conform to your beliefs that segregation did. Christianity doesn't preach superiority over others. At least true Christianity doesn't.

But, I do have confidence in where I am going when I die and will gladly tell anyone who asks me if "I know that I know." That might come across as a superiority complex to some who haven't reached that point in their faith (whether Christian or not).

I have complete confidence I'll be going to Heaven when I die as well. I have no problems sharing my Christian beliefs with anyone who wants to know. I'll gladly give my testimony to anyone who wishes to hear it. I'm not one of those who forces my beliefs on anyone. Doing so only turns them off and makes them refuse to listen.

 

[LisaC]

I remember while I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, we were told not to wear anything of a religious nature that could be seen by the Saudis as the Saudis didn't want us to. Is that displaying tolerance by Muslims? Not at all. How many Muslim nations are tolerant of Christianity? Christian churches are being set afire in Egypt by Muslims. Is that displaying tolerance? Not at all.

But, Saudi Arabia and in the Middle East, the Muslim religion plays a HUGE role in government. Here, we are to keep it separate and a lot people prefer that we not acknowledge any form of religion in any situation.

 

[Foxmeister]

I remember while I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, we were told not to wear anything of a religious nature that could be seen by the Saudis as the Saudis didn't want us to. Is that displaying tolerance by Muslims? Not at all. How many Muslim nations are tolerant of Christianity? Christian churches are being set afire in Egypt by Muslims. Is that displaying tolerance? Not at all.

But, Saudi Arabia and in the Middle East, the Muslim religion plays a HUGE role in government. Here, we are to keep it separate and a lot people prefer that we not acknowledge any form of religion in any situation.

Even a bigger example on how they lack tolerance for other religions.

 

[LisaC]

I remember while I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, we were told not to wear anything of a religious nature that could be seen by the Saudis as the Saudis didn't want us to. Is that displaying tolerance by Muslims? Not at all. How many Muslim nations are tolerant of Christianity? Christian churches are being set afire in Egypt by Muslims. Is that displaying tolerance? Not at all.

But, Saudi Arabia and in the Middle East, the Muslim religion plays a HUGE role in government. Here, we are to keep it separate and a lot people prefer that we not acknowledge any form of religion in any situation.

Even a bigger example on how they lack tolerance for other religions.

True, but we are governed differently, so I wonder if tolerance is or should be interpreted differently here. We are allowed to publicly express our views and stand up to the government - if they stand up, they get shot.

 

[Foxmeister]

I remember while I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, we were told not to wear anything of a religious nature that could be seen by the Saudis as the Saudis didn't want us to. Is that displaying tolerance by Muslims? Not at all. How many Muslim nations are tolerant of Christianity? Christian churches are being set afire in Egypt by Muslims. Is that displaying tolerance? Not at all.

But, Saudi Arabia and in the Middle East, the Muslim religion plays a HUGE role in government. Here, we are to keep it separate and a lot people prefer that we not acknowledge any form of religion in any situation.

Even a bigger example on how they lack tolerance for other religions.

True, but we are governed differently, so I wonder if tolerance is or should be interpreted differently here. We are allowed to publicly express our views and stand up to the government - if they stand up, they get shot.

It would be very hypocritical for any Saudi visiting the US to say Christians are not tolerant of his religious belief, would it not?

 

[LisaC]

It would be very hypocritical for any Saudi visiting the US to say Christians are not tolerant of his religious belief, would it not?

I see what you're saying, but what about when an American says that of another American (which is the situation that I was in)?

 

[Foxmeister]

It would be very hypocritical for any Saudi visiting the US to say Christians are not tolerant of his religious belief, would it not?

I see what you're saying, but what about when an American says that of another American (which is the situation that I was in)?

In your case, the guy was being a hypocrite.

 

[LisaC]

It would be very hypocritical for any Saudi visiting the US to say Christians are not tolerant of his religious belief, would it not?

I see what you're saying, but what about when an American says that of another American (which is the situation that I was in)?

In your case, the guy was being a hypocrite.

This type of attitude reaches far deeper than hypocrisy because I think we have taught our kids that it's not only okay to be different, but it's perfectly acceptable for them to think that people are obligated to conform to whatever the latest and greatest idealogy is. We are taught to program our kids to be politically correct because we don't want to offend anyone. By doing that, we've given these kids a level of ignorance that has no match because they don't understand what true tolerance is supposed to be.

Seriously, the more I think about this, the more I realize that one of the things that bothers me is that there is a perception among minorities (color, religion, ethnicity) that because I'm a conservative white Christian, that I have to now step aside and let the younger generation take over and put my values on the shelf.

I'm thinking too much - I've got to go make fun of someone now....

 

[Foxmeister]

I could care less if my neighbors were worshipping trees as that's their business. I have a personal relationship with my God. I try to live my life to do His will as much as possible. I try to get along with everyone regardless of race, gender, or their religion. I had friends in the Army who were Muslims, Buddhist, and Wiccan. We got along great. None of us intruded into the religious beliefs of the others.

I raised my children that not everyone is the same nor does everyone believe the same thing about anything. They were taught you don't mock people who are different or believe differently.