What makes Mormonism a cult?

LisaC

I'm here to spin the moral compass.
I'm just curious and I thought I would throw this out for discussion - I know a few Mormon families and I have even worked with attorneys who are Mormons, but I've never understood why a lot of Christians call Mormonism a cult. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God just as we do, so why do you think it's a cult?
 
Sadie612 said:
where did my comment go?
I will just write it again since I got no pm about why it was deleted

I said Baptist came up with Mormans being a cult cause they like to eat and the mormans like to ride their bikes around town lol

I grew up Baptist...we ate well hahaha
 
Some denominations think everybody who doesn't believe exactly like them is going to hell.

Me, personally, I do not view Mormonism as a cult. Ditto Roman Catholicism, which some groups also view as a cult. My standard for whether a group is Christian or not is this: Do they believe in Jesus? If yes, then they're with me. If no, then they're not with me. In that latter group, I would include Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, etc. Now is JW a cult? Scientology obviously is, but I don't know enough about JW to know it if qualifies for the classic definition of a cult (brainwashing, etc.). But it could be.

Obviously I have theological differences with both Mormons and RCs (sorry, SD and Genevieve) or I would be one or the other. But I could attend the church of either if there wasn't a church that more closely mirrored my own beliefs near me. Both these groups have a solid foundation of Jesus as the Son of God, and of His death on the cross for our sins, and His resurrection. That's all I need to know.

My approach to these things is exactly like what is written below. It's from the web site for Four Corners Church which is near me:

Our Theological Approach...



When it comes to doctrine, culture, preferences, traditions, lifestyles, politics, behavior, etc., Four Points Church takes a “closed-hand/open-hand” approach. The closed hand hangs onto the non-negotiable tenets of Christian orthodoxy:



Sin is the problem, Jesus is the answer, the Bible is true, and Hell is hot.



The open hand, however, allows room for differences when it comes to secondary matters; we liberally allow freedom for conscience and wisdom to guide where the Bible is silent. The open hand fosters unity among the diversity of expressions found in the Four Points congregation: Democrats and Republicans, soccer moms and home-schoolers, carnivores and vegans, trendy Macs and faithful PCs.



In this way, we are seeking to simultaneously heed the Bible’s commands:

to have sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 4:16; Titus 1:9, 2:1)

to love our Christian brothers and sisters, (1 Peter 4:8; 1 John 4:7-21)

to avoid unnecessary divisions. (Romans 16:17; 1 Corinthians 1:10, 12:25; Titus 3:10)
 
Sadie612 said:
Sadie612 said:
where did my comment go?
I will just write it again since I got no pm about why it was deleted

I said Baptist came up with Mormans being a cult cause they like to eat and the mormans like to ride their bikes around town lol

I grew up Baptist...we ate well hahaha


I agree - as a member of a Baptist church, the leadership will tell you without hesitation that it's a cult. But I've never asked them why (although I will the next time it comes up). I just saw mention of Mormonism being a cult in the anti-Christ thread and wanted to see why people think of it as a cult.
 
LisaC said:
Sadie612 said:
Sadie612 said:
where did my comment go?
I will just write it again since I got no pm about why it was deleted

I said Baptist came up with Mormans being a cult cause they like to eat and the mormans like to ride their bikes around town lol

I grew up Baptist...we ate well hahaha


I agree - as a member of a Baptist church, the leadership will tell you without hesitation that it's a cult. But I've never asked them why (although I will the next time it comes up). I just saw mention of Mormonism being a cult in the anti-Christ thread and wanted to see why people think of it as a cult.

like I said I grew up baptist and anything that isn't baptist was a cult... The church I grew up at refused to send my letter to my new church cause it was not of the baptist faith,,, it was non denominational but they still refused
 
Sadie612 said:
LisaC said:
Sadie612 said:
Sadie612 said:
where did my comment go?
I will just write it again since I got no pm about why it was deleted

I said Baptist came up with Mormans being a cult cause they like to eat and the mormans like to ride their bikes around town lol

I grew up Baptist...we ate well hahaha


I agree - as a member of a Baptist church, the leadership will tell you without hesitation that it's a cult. But I've never asked them why (although I will the next time it comes up). I just saw mention of Mormonism being a cult in the anti-Christ thread and wanted to see why people think of it as a cult.

like I said I grew up baptist and anything that isn't baptist was a cult... The church I grew up at refused to send my letter to my new church cause it was not of the baptist faith,,, it was non denominational but they still refused


That's just odd.
 
I have always believe that any faith system that does not teach the following is a cult:
1- God is the Father, Jesus is his Son, the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God...and the three are one.
2- Jesus was born of a virgin & was sinless.
3- Jesus bore our sins on the cross, died and was resurrected.
4- The ONLY way to eternal life is believing in Jesus' atonement for our sins and accepting Him as one's savior.
5- Once saved, always saved...one can NOT earn their way to Heaven by works, and once a person is saved, NOTHING can separate them from God.

The founder of Mormonism taught, and has written, things that contradict the 5 things listed above and they also contradict the Holy Bible...yes they are a cult.
 
LisaC said:
Sadie612 said:
LisaC said:
Sadie612 said:
Sadie612 said:
where did my comment go?
I will just write it again since I got no pm about why it was deleted

I said Baptist came up with Mormans being a cult cause they like to eat and the mormans like to ride their bikes around town lol

I grew up Baptist...we ate well hahaha


I agree - as a member of a Baptist church, the leadership will tell you without hesitation that it's a cult. But I've never asked them why (although I will the next time it comes up). I just saw mention of Mormonism being a cult in the anti-Christ thread and wanted to see why people think of it as a cult.

like I said I grew up baptist and anything that isn't baptist was a cult... The church I grew up at refused to send my letter to my new church cause it was not of the baptist faith,,, it was non denominational but they still refused


That's just odd.

I've had it happen to me, too.
 
At my point in life I am to the point of you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe so now we can hush and get along rofl...is that bad? haha
 
deewee said:
I have always believe that any faith system that does not teach the following is a cult:
1- God is the Father, Jesus is his Son, the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God...and the three are one.
2- Jesus was born of a virgin & was sinless.
3- Jesus bore our sins on the cross, died and was resurrected.
4- The ONLY way to eternal life is believing in Jesus' atonement for our sins and accepting Him as one's savior.
5- Once saved, always saved...one can NOT earn their way to Heaven by works, and once a person is saved, NOTHING can separate them from God.

The founder of Mormonism taught, and has written, things that contradict the 5 things listed above and they also contradict the Holy Bible...yes they are a cult.

My understanding from Mormons I have heard talk is that they pretty much believe all of the above. What have you heard different?

Also, many Christians don't believe in once saved, always saved (Pentecostals, et al). I personally do because I believe it's Biblical. If we didn't do anything to earn it, we can't do anything to lose it. And NOTHING can snatch us out of His big ol' hand. See below:

John 10:25-30 (NLT) - Jesus replied, “I have already told you, and you don’t believe me. The proof is the work I do in my Father’s name. But you don’t believe me because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. The Father and I are one.”
 
There are some basic glaring differences between the Book of Mormon and the Holy Bible:

The Book of Mormon teaches:
That Adam "fell" so that men might have joy. ref: 2 Nephi 2:25

That the Spirit of God dwelling in a man's heart is an old outdated notion and not true. ref: Alma 34:36

Salvation by works. ref: 2 Nephi 25:23

Those are just a few. There are more...but those are some biggies that right away tell me that it is a cult.
 
I don't think that I would classify it as a cult, simply a belief system that differs. I had a very good friend in high school that was Mormon. She was pretty normal. :)) I should probably learn more. I thought Mitt Romney was a good example of his spiritual beliefs. In the end, I believe his strong-held beliefs were to his detriment because he didn't crawl into the mud with Obama. It's hard to fight a thug with class.

A good friend of mine has done intensive studies of many major religions, maybe I'll just call him. :)) Just a side note, but after all his studies, he maintained his Methodist roots.
 
Sadie612 said:
At my point in life I am to the point of you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe so now we can hush and get along rofl...is that bad? haha

Sure, people believe what they are going to believe, but there's also nothing wrong with discussing it. I've never spent days and days studying other religions, but have learned enough to know they don't believe what I believe the Bible teaches. It's their choice and they will get no grief from me.

I once asked a Secret Service Agent how they were trained to identify counterfeit money. I figured they studied counterfeit bills in their training. He said they are given examples of counterfeit money, but that's not how they learn. He said they study THE REAL THING in such depth that the counterfeit money is easy to identify. Makes sense...

Here is an exerpt from an article I read. Take it for what it's worth...My comments in yellow.

LDS Article 1: "We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."

"Mormons do not believe in the Trinity as we understand it. They believe that God and Jesus were separate physical people" who dwelled on the earth, Johnston said. God was Jesus' father, and both men died. (I differ with this as being accurate)

"They do have a 'Holy Ghost' that is very similar to our understanding of the Holy Spirit," Johnston said.

Article 2: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." (By Adam, sin was brought into this world. We are all born into sin)

"Mormons do not believe in original sin. In the LDS religion, you can't sin until you reach the age of accountability, which is age 8. We are all born perfect," Johnston explained. (I believe there is an age of accountablitiy, but it's not set. All people are different)

Further, she said, if a child up to 7 years old commits any sin, even crimes such as murder, that child is not held responsible for their actions. (I don't agree. Again, it depends on the person)

"After age 8 you are accountable. If you don't confess your sins to a bishop and repent, you're punished. These sins range from drinking alcohol, coffee or tea, or smoking cigarettes, to 'major' sins such as adultery, murder, etc." Johnston said. (I don't confess to "men" or a "man")

The punishment, Johnston said, is that you don't get to reach the third heaven, where God dwells. (I've never read of such in The Bible)

"There is no hell (in the Mormon religion)," she said. "There are three heavens, and you get into them depending on if you are a Mormon or not, if you are a good person but never a Mormon, or if you are a good Mormon who lives a righteous life." (Rubbish. The Bible describes a literal Hell where the rich man lifted his eyes and told Abraham that he was tormented in its flames)

Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus' brother, back on the original earth, where God and Jesus dwelled. (Not accurate if you believe God's Word. Lucifer was the brightest angel, cast from Heaven)

"This goes back to the theology that we were all spirit children together with God in the 'pre-existence,'" Johnston said. (Not found in God's Word)

The third heaven itself has three levels, based on piety. In order to reach the highest level, "where you can get your own planet, you must be a good Mormon, followed all the rules, married, in the temple …" Johnston explained. (A religion of "works" is not found in the Bible. It does say that some will be ruler over many cities, but not because of where you were married)

"They don't believe in a hell, per se … everyone, unless you're really bad, goes to the first heaven, whether they are Mormon or not. They do believe in an 'outer darkness,' but that's muddy … they aren't really clear on the kind of people who would go there." (Sounds like they're not finished writing their Book of Mormon yet)

Article 3: "We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." (Not by works, but by faith. If you believe the Bible, salvation is by faith, not by works, lest any man should boast)

"This is basically the same as what I said before (on article 2). There is a general salvation, but to dwell with God, you have to be good. It delivers a lot of pressure," Johnston said.

"You have to repent of every sin, pay your 10 percent tithe, raise your kids in the faith … it's just this huge weight and this huge burden," she said.

Article 4: "We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost." (It is my belief that you receive the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation.)

"It's absolutely required that you be baptized by immersion and receive the laying on of hands," Johnston said. "If you're not baptized, you're not saved." (Let's drop back to the old thief on the cross argument here)

Temples serve the purpose of atoning for those who have passed. Mormons go there, after getting a list of people (based on extensive genealogy research) to be baptized on behalf of. So basically, Johnston said, you're working to save yourself and to save people who are already dead. (The Bible supports NOTHING of the kind)

"Baptism happens for children at age 8. At age 12 they are allowed to go to the temple and do baptisms for the dead, and there is a lot more that happens at the temple. We would go like, twice every year as a youth group … they dunk you 'on behalf of so-and-so', and then repeat it about 10 times for different names. Then you go into this room and [church leaders] confirm them," she said. "There are thousands – probably more than that – being done every day across the world." (Once again. Nonsense)

Article 5: "We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof."

"When Christ was on earth, He set up a priesthood and an organization of the church," Johnston said. "After he died, the people fell away and the priesthood left the earth. It didn't return until the priesthood was given to Joseph Smith." (Oh, yes. Joseph Smith. The self made creator of the Mormon religion. I don't see his name in my Bible....anywhere. Just sayin')

That means that born-again believers, Catholics, Jews and any other religion does not have "the fullness of the gospel" and therefore does not preach the true gospel. (See? Don't talk about mean old Baptists always saying that we are right and everyone else is wrong! :tapfoot2)

Article 6: "We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth."

"This one is pretty self-explanatory. They (Mormons) believe that they have reorganized the church to be the same as when Jesus Christ was on the earth," Johnston said.

Article 7: "We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth."

"This stuff was very common in the early Mormon Church, but it's not something you see very much in the modern church," Johnston said.

"Now it's basically more that missionaries have the gift of tongues because they speak foreign languages. Healing – priests can heal with prayer and atonement."

Article 8: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." (I don't believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God any more than Code of Misconduct is)

"That one opens the door," Johnston said. "That's where the can of worms comes out."

"When this was taught to me as a child – they started by asking us to play the telephone game, where you whisper a phrase in your neighbor's ear and it is passed down the line," she said. "Obviously, at the end, the original phrase had changed and no longer resembles what was said at the beginning. The comparison was then made to the Bible – that it has been changed and revised over the years and so we can't completely trust that it is accurate." (If God has left us a Bible that can not be trusted as accurate and true, then we are wasting our time.....All of us)

"The problem with this is that this is a case of transmission error – not translation error. Very different things," Johnston said.

"Unfortunately – this understanding that the Bible is not trustworthy – has huge implications. In enables what I call the 'salad bar effect' wherein people can pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to use/believe/learn from. If something makes you uncomfortable or doesn't fit with your particular theology – you can throw it out. Add to that the fact that they believe the Book of Mormon to be 'another testament of Christ.' Now any uncomfortable doctrines from the Bible can be explained by this new book of scripture," she said.

"I can't count how many times as a teenager, I was challenged by my Christian friends about a scripture in the Bible such as Ephesians 2:8. I would be confused – but when I would bring it up to my parents or church leaders they would show me something like 2 Nephi 25:23 where it says we are saved by grace 'after all we can do.'" Johnston said.

Article 9: "We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God."

"[In the LDS religion] there is a living prophet with continuous revelation," Johnston explained. "But they haven't added any new scripture in a long time. The last revelation took place in 1978, allowing blacks to receive the priesthood." (That was mighty "white" of them, wasn't it?)

To be fair, she noted, a lot of churches held similar beliefs about blacks until the Civil Rights movement. "The Mormons were just behind the times."

Article 10: "We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory." (Maybe in....I dunno....Utah?)

"Basically, the 10 tribes that were lost (in the original priesthood) will come back and gather in Missouri," Johnston said. "That's where the Garden of Eden was and that's where Christ will be raised." (The best I can recall, the location of the garden of Eden is in or near what is known today as Iraq)

Article 11: "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

"This was a reaction to the times," Johnston said. "Mormons were being persecuted, chased out … basically, it's saying 'don't persecute us and we won't persecute you.'"

Article 12: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

Johnston said this article is pretty straightforward. Mormons do not rebel against authority and they are not revolutionary.

"They may not agree with a leader but they will respect his authority," she said.

Article 13: "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul – We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things."

"I believe this is honestly what they believe. I think Mormons, just like people of any other faith, want to do the right thing," Johnston said. "They want to be honest, true, chaste, benevolent, etc. They are generous and kind and hard working. They love, honor and worship God. Unfortunately, they have a false understanding of who God is and as a result, they live with a huge burden to be good enough and do enough, [so] that Jesus will save them 'after all they can do.' It's very sad, really," she said. (I think they are good people as well....just misguided. My opinion)

Johnston said that it's important for people to understand that different Mormons hold different understandings of the religion.

"Because the teaching is so fluid, you can talk to three different Mormons and get three different answers," she said. "I can't emphasize enough that each individual Mormon might have a slightly different view of the doctrine. Based on what era you grew up in, what region of the country you grew up in, whether your parents were active or inactive in the church, whether your family was generational Mormon or recent converts – all of these things affect what you were taught."

Johnston had one last admonishment for Christians who are trying to understand and witness to Mormons.

"If I had any advice for a Christian who wanted to witness to a Mormon it would be to know your Bible! Don't worry so much about what Mormons believe – know what you believe! And take a very serious and in-depth look at the historicity of the Bible – how did we get it, and can it be trusted? You should be able to confidently answer these questions before you attempt to share your faith."
 
So, since Mormonism is different and most people don't understand it, it's a cult? I could cut and paste all sorts of stuff, but I'm wondering about each of y'all's personal beliefs. Why do YOU think Mormonism is a cult? Because your pastor said so or some other reason? Again, I'm willing to confess that our church declares that Mormons are a cult, but I don't know why. Every single Mormon I have met has always left a positive impact on me (well, except for the hubby of a former boss that cheated on his wife with another Mormon woman, but that's another story). So, I'm curious.

And, just to show that I'm not throwing stones at the Mormons, I'm starting another thread about the Baptists... ;D
 
LisaC said:
I'm just curious and I thought I would throw this out for discussion - I know a few Mormon families and I have even worked with attorneys who are Mormons, but I've never understood why a lot of Christians call Mormonism a cult. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God just as we do, so why do you think it's a cult?
Cause people are stupid and afraid and scared of what they dont know...?
 
Whoa Willie said:
LisaC said:
I'm just curious and I thought I would throw this out for discussion - I know a few Mormon families and I have even worked with attorneys who are Mormons, but I've never understood why a lot of Christians call Mormonism a cult. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God just as we do, so why do you think it's a cult?
Cause people are stupid and afraid and scared of what they dont know...?

You might be right and may have stepped on a few toes!! :))
 
I don't think of Mormonism as being a cult. They may have doctrine that differs from various Christian denominations, but that doesn't necessarily make them a cult. Doctrine differs in many ways between all the Christian denominations. The Episcopal church now allows gays to be priests. Does that make the Episcopal church a cult?

All I know is Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I view any person who has accepted Christ as such is my brother or sister in Christ. Not one Christian is any better than another as we all sin.
 
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