Why are taxpayers paying for this???

[unionmom]

Anyone familiar with the 120/Scoggins Rd area is well aware of two things. First, the timber removal on the tracts of land in the area. Second, the high number of trees that have since been dropping onto the roadway and/or wires every time there is a storm.

Those trees are dropping as a DIRECT result of the property owner taking the timber off of that land so why should taxpayers be paying for the emergency removal of those trees from the roadway and/or wires?

Send that property owner the bill ... every single time and for every single penny.

 

[mei lan]

Yeppers.

 

[copschick]

Not to mention the fact that it looks like crap. It makes me mad everytime I drive past there...grrrrr

 

[unionmom]

No doubt, it looks like absolute poo.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Okay this may be dumb, but I do not understand why the trees falling is a direct result of the timber being taken out.

 

[unionmom]

Okay this may be dumb, but I do not understand why the trees falling is a direct result of the timber being taken out.

He left a thin line of trees along the road/property line. These trees have been protected from the wind for their entire lives by the acres upon acres of other trees that are no longer there. Also, there is now major water run-off every time it rains, run-off that did not occur before because of the other trees and all of the under growth. The run-off helps weaken the trees' hold and the direct exposure to the wind pushes them right over.

 

[Winchester]

Count yourselves lucky as I almost had all that land sold to a developer a few years ago and it would have been an empty subdivision now if a family member hadn't screwed up the deal!

 

[unionmom]

Count yourselves lucky as I almost had all that land sold to a developer a few years ago and it would have been an empty subdivision now if a family member hadn't screwed up the deal!

That would have been at least minimal better though as there are rules regarding run-off control, etc. that must be followed in the development of property. It certainly would have looked like poo either way but I'm more annoyed by the costs to taxpayers at this point.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Okay this may be dumb, but I do not understand why the trees falling is a direct result of the timber being taken out.

He left a thin line of trees along the road/property line. These trees have been protected from the wind for their entire lives by the acres upon acres of other trees that are no longer there. Also, there is now major water run-off every time it rains, run-off that did not occur before because of the other trees and all of the under growth. The run-off helps weaken the trees' hold and the direct exposure to the wind pushes them right over.

I see many places where a thin line of trees are then homes are built or such. Never occurred to me this is a problem. I guess since I am not seeing it (or have ever seen it) I just do not see it being his "fault." Isn't it the same as any property owner removing some trees and leaving others? (Really asking...I guess I am still not getting it..LOL. )

 

[unionmom]

Okay this may be dumb, but I do not understand why the trees falling is a direct result of the timber being taken out.

He left a thin line of trees along the road/property line. These trees have been protected from the wind for their entire lives by the acres upon acres of other trees that are no longer there. Also, there is now major water run-off every time it rains, run-off that did not occur before because of the other trees and all of the under growth. The run-off helps weaken the trees' hold and the direct exposure to the wind pushes them right over.

I see many places where a thin line of trees are then homes are built or such. Never occurred to me this is a problem. I guess since I am not seeing it (or have ever seen it) I just do not see it being his "fault." Isn't it the same as any property owner removing some trees and leaving others? (Really asking...I guess I am still not getting it..LOL. )

When you do it on the large scale that they did and do nothing about run-off it is a very different beast. (Even in subdivision development there are instances of weakened trees because of how the area is cleared and what trees in what areas they leave behind.)

 

[ShoeDiva]

Okay this may be dumb, but I do not understand why the trees falling is a direct result of the timber being taken out.

He left a thin line of trees along the road/property line. These trees have been protected from the wind for their entire lives by the acres upon acres of other trees that are no longer there. Also, there is now major water run-off every time it rains, run-off that did not occur before because of the other trees and all of the under growth. The run-off helps weaken the trees' hold and the direct exposure to the wind pushes them right over.

I see many places where a thin line of trees are then homes are built or such. Never occurred to me this is a problem. I guess since I am not seeing it (or have ever seen it) I just do not see it being his "fault." Isn't it the same as any property owner removing some trees and leaving others? (Really asking...I guess I am still not getting it..LOL. )

When you do it on the large scale that they did and do nothing about run-off it is a very different beast. (Even in subdivision development there are instances of weakened trees because of how the area is cleared and what trees in what areas they leave behind.)

I see, sort off. From Scoggins Middle school where is this? I might just have to see it to really understand.

 

[unionmom]

The trees grew in a manner over the past however many decades that makes the other trees around them necessary in order for them to be protected from the wind. They are much taller than they would normally be and have very little growth down low. They have never had the direct force of the wind against them and now they have acres of wide open space around them, nothing to break or slow the wind. Add to that the weakening of their hold on the earth around them and they go right over.

Anyway ... from Scoggins Middle you would get on Buchanan and head towards 278. About half way from Rose's to 278 is where these combined tracts of land are. 352 acres between them.

 

[ShoeDiva]

The trees grew in a manner over the past however many decades that makes the other trees around them necessary in order for them to be protected from the wind. They are much taller than they would normally be and have very little growth down low. They have never had the direct force of the wind against them and now they have acres of wide open space around them, nothing to break or slow the wind. Add to that the weakening of their hold on the earth around them and they go right over.

Anyway ... from Scoggins Middle you would get on Buchanan and head towards 278. About half way from Rose's to 278 is where these combined tracts of land are. 352 acres between them.

Thank you and it is 352 acres??!! WOW. I had no idea you were speaking of so much!

 

[unionmom]

It is a total of 352 acres (according to the for sale signs) in multiple adjoining/adjacent tracts on both sides of 120.

That large of a hunk of land is why the tree thing is such an issue. Clearing a couple of acres, no big deal. Clearing that large of an area that had been natural growth for so long and then leaving that thin line of weakened trees ... that's a problem.

 

[ShoeDiva]

It is a total of 352 acres (according to the for sale signs) in multiple adjoining/adjacent tracts on both sides of 120.

That large of a hunk of land is why the tree thing is such an issue. Clearing a couple of acres, no big deal. Clearing that large of an area that had been natural growth for so long and then leaving that thin line of weakened trees ... that's a problem.

It took me a while but I am getting it now. N I just did not realize the size of the area you were talking about. I am think a few - 5 acres and people clear odd spaces all the time. Okay last stupid question (at least for now) why leave that line of trees? Did he think he could block what was going on behind it?

 

[unionmom]

Why leave the line of trees ... I honestly don't know and do acknowledge that there may be something there in restrictions or something. It's also possible that removing them is more expensive because of the care that needs to be taken to keep them from dropping on the road.

 

[atlantdav]

Not sure if I would jump on the property owner to pay for the unfortunate trees falling. From what you said, there must be a lot of wires (power lines, cable, etc) . Could it just be the property owner had his acres logged, but had to keep a buffer of trees the utility company has "right of way" ownership to???

 

[unionmom]

Nope. Only minimal lines involved along one small area of the road on the Scoggins side ... most of the trees are dropping from the other side where there are no lines at all.

(Not even sure the trees caused that last line problem ... there was a poll that snapped and there were trees down but I couldn't safely look long enough to determine if the trees hit the poll in that instance.)

 

[atlantdav]

Ok. Could it be possible underground utilities create a right of way? Therefore, the property owner was relieved, and any damage form trees falling from storms are laid on the utility and/or Paulding Co

 

[unionmom]

Ok. Could it be possible underground utilities create a right of way? Therefore, the property owner was relieved, and any damage form trees falling from storms are laid on the utility and/or Paulding Co

There's no sewer there and phone and cable are above ground across the road so that is highly unlikely.

I did allow for the possibility that there may be something from the county or state that required them to leave it ... I don't know everything ... but I do know how a lot of the timber work (among other things) gets done around here.