5th pp video drops showing official discussing sale of intact babies

[ShoeDiva]

I believe the part that's illegal is that they are selling baby body parts across state lines. I've heard that mentioned. But since I also do not watch the videos, take that for what it's worth.

I take serious issue with taxpayer funded abortion.

Do I see them as a "healthcare facility". Hell no. There are 700 Planned Parenthood centers nationwide. There are 250 centers (just in Georgia) to obtain a mammogram. I think it'd be much easier to locate a mammogram center.

Planned Parenthood is the reason I pulled my support for Susan G. Komen.

Thanks. That does make sense. (from one non watching video person to another ) )
As for PP being a healthcare center I did not mean that it provides healthcare, but it did provide information for many that do not know to take care of themselves. It is some of what is covered on the follow up of the abortion.
(When I volunteered at the rape crisis center abortion was on the list of options available and my, rather limited, knowledge of PP comes from that time. A lot of women that I came in contact with did not have health care, and honestly did not know how to go about getting birth control, yearly exams, etc.) A local clinic could provide the same information if sought, but I believe it is that they have the women there and can urge them to get yearly checkups. :dunno

As for the funding, I am not for paying for someone to have that done :girlsaysno but I really do not know how they are receiving taxpayer funding, as in is the money received allowing for abortions (which I thought was illegal, except in the case of rape) or clinics and access to birth control, and testing for std's? I just do not know enough about the funding to take a hard line stance.

See my money iis fungable thread for an explanation of how taxpayer funding facilitates abortions at PP.

I get the money is fungible thing, but (I have to have one you know ; )I still am hesitant on stating it is freeing up donations for abortions because the government/state money can not be used for abortions. I am not sure I can explain what I mean in writing, but I have done (or helped with) the books for two 501(c) and dealt with restricted grant money. If the the grant money was not there, than others things would not be purchased or done, the main goals would still be covered. My point is that yes some of the money is restricted, but is that freeing up the donations to perform abortions or would they just not do other stuff and do the abortions (which I understand is less than 5% of what they do) whether they had the restricted money or not? If they would still perform abortions without restricted money and not do other things, then I do not feel we are facilitating the abortions. They would happen no matter what. :dunno Does that make sense? (It does in my head :) Good luck.)

I do not want to fund abortions, but funding low income, below the poverty level clinics for family planning....well I would rather they not have sex if they can't afford birth control, but I would rather they be on birth control and understand the transmission of disease than they get pregnant or sick. I would pay for that too and I think it is more expensive.

 

[honeybunny]

I believe the part that's illegal is that they are selling baby body parts across state lines. I've heard that mentioned. But since I also do not watch the videos, take that for what it's worth.

I take serious issue with taxpayer funded abortion.

Do I see them as a "healthcare facility". Hell no. There are 700 Planned Parenthood centers nationwide. There are 250 centers (just in Georgia) to obtain a mammogram. I think it'd be much easier to locate a mammogram center.

Planned Parenthood is the reason I pulled my support for Susan G. Komen.

Thanks. That does make sense. (from one non watching video person to another ) )
As for PP being a healthcare center I did not mean that it provides healthcare, but it did provide information for many that do not know to take care of themselves. It is some of what is covered on the follow up of the abortion.
(When I volunteered at the rape crisis center abortion was on the list of options available and my, rather limited, knowledge of PP comes from that time. A lot of women that I came in contact with did not have health care, and honestly did not know how to go about getting birth control, yearly exams, etc.) A local clinic could provide the same information if sought, but I believe it is that they have the women there and can urge them to get yearly checkups. :dunno

As for the funding, I am not for paying for someone to have that done :girlsaysno but I really do not know how they are receiving taxpayer funding, as in is the money received allowing for abortions (which I thought was illegal, except in the case of rape) or clinics and access to birth control, and testing for std's? I just do not know enough about the funding to take a hard line stance.

See my money iis fungable thread for an explanation of how taxpayer funding facilitates abortions at PP.

I get the money is fungible thing, but (I have to have one you know ; )I still am hesitant on stating it is freeing up donations for abortions because the government/state money can not be used for abortions. I am not sure I can explain what I mean in writing, but I have done (or helped with) the books for two 501(c) and dealt with restricted grant money. If the the grant money was not there, than others things would not be purchased or done, the main goals would still be covered. My point is that yes some of the money is restricted, but is that freeing up the donations to perform abortions or would they just not do other stuff and do the abortions (which I understand is less than 5% of what they do) whether they had the restricted money or not? If they would still perform abortions without restricted money and not do other things, then I do not feel we are facilitating the abortions. They would happen no matter what. :dunno Does that make sense? (It does in my head :) Good luck.)

I do not want to fund abortions, but funding low income, below the poverty level clinics for family planning....well I would rather they not have sex if they can't afford birth control, but I would rather they be on birth control and understand the transmission of disease than they get pregnant or sick. I would pay for that too and I think it is more expensive.

According to the Government Accountability Office, the roughly 1,200 community health centers in the
U.S. serve over 21 million people per year. Planned Parenthood, by contrast, serves 2.7 million people.


Your local county health department provides the same services as Planned Parenthood...

 

[ShoeDiva]

I believe the part that's illegal is that they are selling baby body parts across state lines. I've heard that mentioned. But since I also do not watch the videos, take that for what it's worth.

I take serious issue with taxpayer funded abortion.

Do I see them as a "healthcare facility". Hell no. There are 700 Planned Parenthood centers nationwide. There are 250 centers (just in Georgia) to obtain a mammogram. I think it'd be much easier to locate a mammogram center.

Planned Parenthood is the reason I pulled my support for Susan G. Komen.

Thanks. That does make sense. (from one non watching video person to another ) )
As for PP being a healthcare center I did not mean that it provides healthcare, but it did provide information for many that do not know to take care of themselves. It is some of what is covered on the follow up of the abortion.
(When I volunteered at the rape crisis center abortion was on the list of options available and my, rather limited, knowledge of PP comes from that time. A lot of women that I came in contact with did not have health care, and honestly did not know how to go about getting birth control, yearly exams, etc.) A local clinic could provide the same information if sought, but I believe it is that they have the women there and can urge them to get yearly checkups. :dunno

As for the funding, I am not for paying for someone to have that done :girlsaysno but I really do not know how they are receiving taxpayer funding, as in is the money received allowing for abortions (which I thought was illegal, except in the case of rape) or clinics and access to birth control, and testing for std's? I just do not know enough about the funding to take a hard line stance.

See my money iis fungable thread for an explanation of how taxpayer funding facilitates abortions at PP.

I get the money is fungible thing, but (I have to have one you know ; )I still am hesitant on stating it is freeing up donations for abortions because the government/state money can not be used for abortions. I am not sure I can explain what I mean in writing, but I have done (or helped with) the books for two 501(c) and dealt with restricted grant money. If the the grant money was not there, than others things would not be purchased or done, the main goals would still be covered. My point is that yes some of the money is restricted, but is that freeing up the donations to perform abortions or would they just not do other stuff and do the abortions (which I understand is less than 5% of what they do) whether they had the restricted money or not? If they would still perform abortions without restricted money and not do other things, then I do not feel we are facilitating the abortions. They would happen no matter what. :dunno Does that make sense? (It does in my head :) Good luck.)

I do not want to fund abortions, but funding low income, below the poverty level clinics for family planning....well I would rather they not have sex if they can't afford birth control, but I would rather they be on birth control and understand the transmission of disease than they get pregnant or sick. I would pay for that too and I think it is more expensive.

According to the Government Accountability Office, the roughly 1,200 community health centers in the
U.S. serve over 21 million people per year. Planned Parenthood, by contrast, serves 2.7 million people.


Your local county health department provides the same services as Planned Parenthood...

Yes, as I mentioned in my response to Madea local clinics do, as I also mentioned, it is the fact that the women are seeking a service from PP that many women that would not have gone to clinic get the information about yearly exams, mammograms, avoiding STD's and birth control. Many of the women seeking the service of PP are below poverty levels and many not educated in sex ed. It is that they are at PP and PP advises how to avoid a situation again and how to remain healthy is the point I was making.

 

[honeybunny]

It's working :


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/us/new-hampshire-a-vote-against-planned-parenthood.html?_r=0


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