I am just sick...

copschick

Stunt Driver
I'm furious, I'm outraged, I'm just sick. You know, it baffles me that I am part of a society that, as a whole, has no regard for anyone other than themselves. Six officers in Utah shot yesterday, one killed. The other five? All in the hospital in serious to critical condition.

WHAT THE HELL is wrong with the world today?

It's really NOT hard to just do the right thing. You don't want to go to jail during a drug raid? Well, how about not sling dope? Killing a cop is not the answer. Because guess what? The doper got shot and killed, too. So there are 2 lives lost because he was a dumbass.

I've heard it before, the police KNOW what they are getting into when they decide to do that for a living, blah blah blah, hey..SCREW YOU. My husband gets dressed every night knowing what he may face. He does it willingly, thankfully, and most of all he does it because he loves it. Yes, he goes to work to defend and protect even the jerks that hate him and want him dead all because of the job he chose...a job he loves. He wouldn't be happy doing anything else, and I know that, so I smile and watch him leave and make sure I tell him that I love him because, even though I'm smiling, my heart is being ripped out knowing that it could very well be the last time I ever have the chance to tell him and to hear him say it back.

Am I angry, bitter, pissed off? Hell yeah, I am. And with good reason. I will never forget when one of Jason's friends that works for another department was shot. I will never forget that phone call when the first words out of Jason's mouth were "it wasn't me, I am fine". It shook me to my core. This hit home...hard. Then to watch the news and see the mother of the monster that shot him, blasting what that officer did. "He shot him like a dog" were her words. Really? Like a dog? No, no ma'am. He shot him like the murderous bastard he was. How dare the media even run stories like that!

Oh, there was public outcry...horrible awful police officer that just gunned down some poor guy in a parking lot. Where was the public outcry when the officer was shot? Oh, that's right, there wasn't any. People are quick to call 911 when they NEED the police, but past that point, who cares. I CARE. ALL of the families care. These are our husbands, wives, mothers and fathers to our children, our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. WE ALL CARE.

Where is the media when a police officer does something that he should be commended for? Those stories don't get ratings, I guess. sigh....I'm just heartbroken. I'm sad for the entire LEO community that these are the struggles that they are facing and the general public could care less. Where is the outrage?

Oh well, I'll watch my husband get dressed, put his vest on, kiss him and tell him I love him, hear him tell me he loves me before he leaves, and just like every other night, pray he comes home.

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copschick said:
"He shot him like a dog" were her words. Really? Like a dog? No, no ma'am. He shot him like the murderous bastard he was.

Absotively.

Oh well, I'll watch my husband get dressed, put his vest on, kiss him and tell him I love him, hear him tell me he loves me before he leaves, and just like every other night, pray he comes home.

And God bless you every one.
 
You know I understand. I lived that life, and I'd be lying if I said that I'm thankful I don't anymore.

But please know this....VERY few people really feel that way about LE. I still like to believe the majority of people are good and honest and are very thankful for the protection Tow and those like him provide. I know I am!

My children are taught that LEOs are to be most esteemed. They know they are the GOOD guys, and aside from my husband and I, they are the people our kids can trust to always help if needed.

I will say that I've seen a change in the respect level today (but that's true across the board.) When I was growing up, we weren't even allowed to say "cops". It was a derogatory term. :)
 
I know that the majority of people don't feel that way about LEOs. The problem is the ones that are killing police officers with no thought at all about the fact that they are only people. It's hard to hear about his brothers and sisters dying in record numbers and then smile as I send half my heart out there to face the same thing.
I'm frustrated that lawmakers don't care. The media doesn't care. The general population doesn't care. These men and women are doing what they do for way less than they deserve, they can't do their jobs without second guessing themselves for fear of being sued (which is a whole other can of worms), and are short handed because the governments they work for don't think they need to budget enough to pay them. sigh...just having a bad day!
 
People are being programed to rebel against authority. It's being taught in our public school system. It's being encouraged from the White House. Remember what our wondrous President said about the "stupid police officer" in Cambridge.

It's a sad, sad world when the very people that can serve and protect them are gunned down with no remorse.

I'm so sorry CC, tell Tow and all his comrades how proud I am that he's there for me.
 
copschick said:
I know that the majority of people don't feel that way about LEOs. The problem is the ones that are killing police officers with no thought at all about the fact that they are only people. It's hard to hear about his brothers and sisters dying in record numbers and then smile as I send half my heart out there to face the same thing.
I'm frustrated that lawmakers don't care. The media doesn't care. The general population doesn't care. These men and women are doing what they do for way less than they deserve, they can't do their jobs without second guessing themselves for fear of being sued (which is a whole other can of worms), and are short handed because the governments they work for don't think they need to budget enough to pay them. sigh...just having a bad day!

I totally understand how you feel! And for the section I've highlighted, I can't stand the fact that a police officer has to work under that kind of scrutiny and fear. I know there are some heavy handed cops out there...I've seen them...and I detest them. But when it comes down to using force of any kind, the good cops have to question themselves before they can react because of the fear of losing their entire career over it. Sometimes that is the difference between life and death!
 
Not to get too far off the main point of this thread but ... everything that I can find says bad guy has non-life threatening injuries. Does anyone have a link so that I can get caught up?
 
unionmom said:
Not to get too far off the main point of this thread but ... everything that I can find says bad guy has non-life threatening injuries. Does anyone have a link so that I can get caught up?

Here's a story posted just after 5pm today in the Ogden newspaper. Says non-life-threatening injuries. Also says he's a war vet who had been treated for PTSD. Also says raid was for pot. (Don't get me started.)

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/01/05/suspect-deadly-shootout-was-army-vet-treated-ptsd-father-says
 
OMG CC. I am so there and as angry as you are. Our officers are bashed daily for doing their jobs. Those loved ones of the lawbreakers CANNOT BELIEVE the officers did what they had to do to protect us! You hear them DAILY, my son wouldn't do that blah, blah, blah. KILLS ME! That's why we all have to carry weapons now -- because the officers cannot do their jobs without being questioned and condemned by ALL! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :BH :BH God bless you and Tow and please remember there are those of us that do appreciate what Tow and others like him do in order to keep us safe. :firstplace
 
I've been mulling this over. IF it's true that he's a vet with PTSD and is self-medicating by growing his own pot, IF it's true he wasn't selling it, and IF it's true he worked the night before at Wal-Mart and they woke him up and he didn't realize who they were, then this isn't as cut-and-dry as I had first thought. IF these things are true, this is more in line with what happened with the old lady in SW Atlanta than with outlaws killing cops. I know not everybody agrees, but six cops for a pot raid (which they said is normal)? He was obviously loaded for bear, but then again, he's asleep and finds intruders in his house. I feel badly for everybody if all this is the case. Another example of this stupid War on Drugs getting people killed. If it's for hard drugs, yes, go for it. But for pot? Really?
 
Yes, 6 cops for a drug search warrant service ... not at all unusual. Officers need to be able to quickly secure an entire residence with an unknown number of possibly dangerous individuals inside. And I do not excuse him for being a dopehead sleeping with a gun.
 
unionmom said:
Yes, 6 cops for a drug search warrant service ... not at all unusual. Officers need to be able to quickly secure an entire residence with an unknown number of possibly dangerous individuals inside. And I do not excuse him for being a dopehead sleeping with a gun.

Good points. I'm just sayinjg that there may be more to this situation than first appeared. Sad all the way around. Last I heard, two or three of the officers are still in critical condition, one in a medical-induced coma. Also, my comments were not a lack of support for LEO (as you know); they were mostly aggravation with the system that sets up this sort of situation. And no, I don't excuse his actions, either. It would seem he had some massive firepower to hit all six men, killing one of them. But I will say if he really does suffer from PTSD, the raid could have taken him back to a different time and different place in his head. Sad, sad, sad.
 
I'd like to know if he tried to get any help or if he just went to the dope. I know you don't mean any disrespect to LE. The desire to get all of the facts, to explore an issue fully is something that I find admirable. ;)
 
Last time I check, pot is an illegal drug. It doesn't matter that most people think of it as harmless, it's illegal and these guys were simply doing their job. Prayers for all involved. :pray
 
unionmom said:
I'd like to know if he tried to get any help or if he just went to the dope. I know you don't mean any disrespect to LE. The desire to get all of the facts, to explore an issue fully is something that I find admirable. ;)

Aww...thanks, UM! His dad said he'd been treated for PTSD, so I took that to mean he had sought treatment.
 
LisaC said:
Last time I check, pot is an illegal drug. It doesn't matter that most people think of it as harmless, it's illegal and these guys were simply doing their job. Prayers for all involved. :pray

I agree. As I said, I was both arguing about the system that put all this in place, as well as trying to figure out the full details of the matter.
 
yep, I misread...suspect IS still alive.

Now, if he were "self medicating" as his father suggested, there wouldn't have been a drug raid at his house. The police aren't going to go through the trouble of a raid for some guy who smokes a little wacky tobacky every now and again.

In any event, it does not negate the fact that a police officer was killed for doing his job.
 
copschick said:
yep, I misread...suspect IS still alive.

Now, if he were "self medicating" as his father suggested, there wouldn't have been a drug raid at his house. The police aren't going to go through the trouble of a raid for some guy who smokes a little wacky tobacky every now and again.

In any event, it does not negate the fact that a police officer was killed for doing his job.

And perhaps more than one officer. I wondered about the growing part - perhaps they had info he was selling?
 
The last case I heard of violence involving a vet with PTSD ended with his wife shot execution style in their home, in front of their children. He'd dressed in his fatigues just prior to executing his wife. He's now sitting in Polk County jail. I don't know if there were any drugs involved, as I haven't followed the case since he was arrested.

(A little off topic I know, but this thread reminded me of that.) :(
 
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