Men have a tendency to wander...

[Blazing Saddles]

Let me see if I can state this a different way. The flesh has a desire to sin all the time. You can make this statement and it will always be true. The flesh always wants to ____________ . Fill in the blank with any sin the Bible mentions and it is true. That's what believers are at war with along with the principalities of the air. By filling in the blank, it doesn't mean just that sin or it doesn't mean only that one at that time. It can be multiple battles of the flesh we deal with. It's not a "sin" take center stage and we have to deal with only that one at a time, instead, their all on stage fighting to be up front. It's what we are born into. It's not our flesh that is tempted, it's "us" that is tempted. Temptation isn't a sin until we act on it. That's when we have a choice to submit to the Spirit or give in to the flesh.

 

[Hankster]

Alls I know is that "When I see a girl with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in my face I get sprung!!". But I don't act on my sprungness. Whatever sprungness is.

 

[LisaC]

Alls I know is that "When I see a girl with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in my face I get sprung!!". But I don't act on my sprungness. Whatever sprungness is.

:spitchick :spitchick :spitchick :spitchick :spitchick

 

[ShoeDiva]

Since this is in the religion forum, I'll elaborate. The Bible clearly tells us that the flesh is sinful by nature.

1 John 2:15-17 ESV / Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 8:7 ESV / For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

Romans 8:13 ESV / For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

2 Peter 1:5-8 ESV / For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.



Believers have a choice to walk in the Spirit with God or give in to the desires of the flesh. There are only two choices. Sometimes we struggle and go back and forth trying to satisfy our desires. It doesn't matter if you're male or female, the choices are the same for all of us. From the scriptures above, the Bible gives us a great description of the spirit and flesh and it doesn't matter if we are thinking about cheating (or sinning in general) the flesh always wants to do what it wants to do. It doesn't take breaks or a vacation from those attributes because it is always the same. We battle our flesh all the time and some are more successful at it than others and some fall to temptation more than others. As for the truth factor, whether we believe it or not is irrelevant. The truth stands alone regardless whether you and I want to accept it or not. Amen.

I see what you are saying, but being led by the flesh doesn't exclusively mean sexual immorality (or the tendency to cheat).

I never said it was exclusive. When walking in the flesh, we feed whatever desire is convenient at the time. It may be drunkeness, sexual immorality, slothfulness, pride, etc but the desires are always there ready to consume according to what we are feeding it. It's what the flesh is. We can't change it.

You said the flesh "always wants to cheat." I took that to mean that you were saying that the flesh "always" tempts a person to cheat - that's what I was disagreeing with. The flesh can tempt us to do many things, but it may not tempt us to do every single thing that Galatians warns us about.

Exactly what I disagreed with too. His wording. (and not just saying his, many use that "always wants to cheat")

 

[ShoeDiva]

Alls I know is that "When I see a girl with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in my face I get sprung!!". But I don't act on my sprungness. Whatever sprungness is.

Now I have that song in my head! oke2

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Exactly what I disagreed with too. His wording. (and not just saying his, many use that "always wants to cheat")

Your misinterpretation. Sinful flesh always has that desire. That desire may be stronger/weaker at different times but nonetheless, it's always there. I'm done. I think I'll go throw myself in front of a train. Ever heard the saying, "you can argue yourself into heaven" ? Sheez. See, I'm slowly giving into the flesh.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Exactly what I disagreed with too. His wording. (and not just saying his, many use that "always wants to cheat")

Your misinterpretation. Sinful flesh always has that desire. That desire may be stronger/weaker at different times but nonetheless, it's always there. I'm done. I think I'll go throw myself in front of a train. Ever heard the saying, "you can argue yourself into heaven" ? Sheez. See, I'm slowly giving into the flesh.

See I do not believe you are right in refrence to people always want to cheat. My answer. ;D

 

[mei lan]

I think Pat lost his marbles years ago. He's made several statements that are waaaay out there.

Time for Pat to retire to a nice place with a padded prayer room.

:ditto :ditto :ditto

Also, :ditto

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Again, NOBODY said anything about PEOPLE always wanting to cheat. I SAID THE FLESH. It is sinful and wants to sin. That's what we are born into. There is a BIG difference between people and the flesh. Just read the scriptures posted and go read others about it.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Again, NOBODY said anything about PEOPLE always wanting to cheat. I SAID THE FLESH. It is sinful and wants to sin. That's what we are born into. There is a BIG difference between people and the flesh. Just read the scriptures posted and go read others about it.

I like my answer. ;D

 

[mei lan]

Let's not leave the ladies out. One of my best friends at work is having to stay 5 years passed his normal retirement because his "wife", who never worked during their marriage, left him for some cowboy and will draw half of my friends retirement check when he finally is financially able to retire and support her sorry.....(fill in your word of choice).

Well, your friend picked her, and since that's the law of the land (all other things being equal), too bad, so sad. My BIL instigated his and sister's divorce, even though his behavior prompted her leaving, and then he wanted to give her 10% of their assets. Judgey Wudgey said ixnay, and he was VERY harsh on BIL in his wording (well-deserved, I might add, and I would also add that I love BIL to this day, but he is an idiot).

Whether this woman worked is irrelevant, IMHO. If they had kids, she raised the kids. Presumably she kept house and did the cooking, etc., which made his life easier. Either which way, it is what it is, and as I said, he picked her. Don't even bother telling me he didn't see signs of that behavior WAAAAAAAAAY before she left him.

Also, I'll not get into mega-details of how a man sets the tone of the home and most of the time if he's a man the woman can respect, and if she feels cherished and valued, she won't feel the need to look elsewhere for love and acceptance. Obviously sometimes that's not true, because some women are dogs, in which case I revert to my first statement - he picked her.

 

[mei lan]

I would also add that if I were that wife (in the original post), I'd have told him to choose me or her, and give him 24 hours or I'd choose for him (see Dobson's book Love Must Be Tough). That's if we had kids and I thought things could be repaired. If no kids, I'd kick his butt to the curb and not think twice about it. I'd prolly also either never remarry, or wait 20 years until I felt I had a better grasp on picking the right kind of man.

 

[deewee]

Men have a tendency to wander...

A pastor once told Mr Lisa #1- "If your wife isn't happy, then you've got a problem that its your responsibility to fix". Of course he knew me, the situation at home and knew I wasn't the problem. )

 

[deewee]

Men have a tendency to wander...

Let's not leave the ladies out. One of my best friends at work is having to stay 5 years passed his normal retirement because his "wife", who never worked during their marriage, left him for some cowboy and will draw half of my friends retirement check when he finally is financially able to retire and support her sorry.....(fill in your word of choice).

I can't stand women like that! I've got a special name for women who do that to men, but can't post it here. :BH

 

[ShoeDiva]

Re: Men have a tendency to wander...

Let's not leave the ladies out. One of my best friends at work is having to stay 5 years passed his normal retirement because his "wife", who never worked during their marriage, left him for some cowboy and will draw half of my friends retirement check when he finally is financially able to retire and support her sorry.....(fill in your word of choice).

I can't stand women like that! I've got a special name for women who do that to men, but can't post it here. :BH

A cheater? (which is scummy and the same scummy I think of a man doing it) That is all I see in that situation. What difference does it make if she worked or not? She invested (raised kids? kept house.. etc) whatever time into the marriage and gets half. (or whatever according to the ruling)

 

[MacDaddy]

I'm sorry, I was staring at the pictures of jennifer love hewitt and the low cut blouse talking about her new mansion. And the girl sitting on Shia what's his name's chest.

What were we talking about?

 

[MacDaddy]

Anyway, people cheat. People are tempted. Takes a bit of willpower to not give in to temptation. Might as well say that guys steal because they are tempted, guys kill because they are tempted, yada yada yada.

There are almost always temptations in life. You either use some will power and not give in. Or, you give in and "cheat" whatever the form it make take.

My ex cheated on me. A few times. Didn't find out until after the divorce. I've known of more women in relationships than men that have cheated. :dunno

 

[deewee]

Men have a tendency to wander...

Anyway, people cheat. People are tempted. Takes a bit of willpower to not give in to temptation. Might as well say that guys steal because they are tempted, guys kill because they are tempted, yada yada yada.

There are almost always temptations in life. You either use some will power and not give in. Or, you give in and "cheat" whatever the form it make take.

My ex cheated on me. A few times. Didn't find out until after the divorce. I've known of more women in relationships than men that have cheated. :dunno

I've known more women too, actually. That might be because I am a woman & women talk about everything. A man friend is not likely to tell me he's cheating.

 

[mei lan]

Re: Men have a tendency to wander...

Let's not leave the ladies out. One of my best friends at work is having to stay 5 years passed his normal retirement because his "wife", who never worked during their marriage, left him for some cowboy and will draw half of my friends retirement check when he finally is financially able to retire and support her sorry.....(fill in your word of choice).

I can't stand women like that! I've got a special name for women who do that to men, but can't post it here. :BH

Again, he picked her. And don't bother telling me he didn't see signs of what she was like before. AND that's without knowing the other side of the story.

 

[deewee]

Men have a tendency to wander...

I feel if a spouse, man or woman, walks out on a marriage, especially if its because they've "found" someone else, all they should get is their freedom.