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newsjunky said:If you guys have been reading the other site then you know I have issues with paying the teachers who take vacation while they bring in subs and pay them too. I have real problems with that during this budget crunch. I have not seen any reference to that in this thread. Are you guys ok with that?
This is part of Kim's post:Foxmeister said:I'll check it out tomorrow. It's going on 2am and I'm tired as heck. I haven't been up this late in ages. Goodnight everyone and pleasant dreams.
Yep but it doesn't change what it can cost the system if they pay for teachers to take vacation and pay a sub to come in for them. I will not support that. Not only will I not support that I will remember that!Madea said:Some of the teachers "over there" seemed very upset. I understand if you've paid a lot of money for a trip, but what other solutions are they offering? I'd be extremely upset if someone was taking off in protest or it was something that could easily be rescheduled. I think the BOE did well in giving the 30 days + notice.
I don't often disagree with you but I will on this one. I don't care if the money is budgeted to pay for subs. The fact still remains that money should be conserved because it is in short supply. If teachers work when school is in session then the money does not get spent. I don't know what part of that folks don't get. here I am buying paper and sending it to school and some folks think it is OK for teachers to take vacation when school is in session. The budget will be worse next year and trust me I will be looking at decisions that our BOE makes as to how money is spent. You know me well enough to know that I do that.I'm Floored said:I agree 100%, Joe.
As far as "allowing" the teachers to take the break anyway, truly, I don't have a big problem with it. Sub pay is budgeted anyway. If teachers and staff are allowed a certain number of personal and sick days each year, those figures (including sub pay) have to be built into our budget. I know some will say that other teachers who don't have plans will just play hooky, but I guess I still like to believe that most people are honest and won't do that. And when it all comes down, I wholeheartedly believe that it will NOT be a huge number of teachers OR students who are absent that week. This decision gave ample time for rescheduling, and the vast majority of people are not stuck with non-refundable airline tickets. (Personally, I only know of one or two in my circle of friends who travel during that week anyway.)
I, too, cannot believe the number of people crying out for a waiver to be applied for. What is more surprising is that many of them are teachers or parents who, in the past, have been outspoken about children NEEDING every bit of classroom time they can get. But when it affects THEM negatively, the story changes. Like I posted, we had plans for that week (not the whole week, but plans nonetheless.) They can and will be changed. I took myself out of the equation, and looked at the BIG picture. I think this is best for our county school system as a whole.
Growing up, our school calendar always listed Spring Break as possible make-up days. Whether or not the days on our calendar were viewed that way or not, we've always known that those days could be selected for that purpose. To me, it just makes sense.
I have a lot of respect for teachers. Heck, if I'd not danced, I would have pursued my teaching certificate. But I have lost some respect for certain educators as they cry out for rebellion, threaten to use organizations (PAGE, GAE, etc.) to bully our board, and incite others to vote out our elected officials and fire our superintendent over this. I don't see the vote as "sneaky" at all. I see it as expedient. They don't need to "consult" the teachers, parents, etc. for opinions or ideas about what to do. We elected them to make the decisions. Again, I hate to "lose" the Winter Break, but I believe it was the best decision, and I'm glad they made it promptly. I'm also glad they didn't file for a waiver and force our students to LOSE 6 more days of instructional time.
JMO
newsjunky said:I don't often disagree with you but I will on this one. I don't care if the money is budgeted to pay for subs. The fact still remains that money should be conserved because it is in short supply. If teachers work when school is in session then the money does not get spent. I don't know what part of that folks don't get. here I am buying paper and sending it to school and some folks think it is OK for teachers to take vacation when school is in session. The budget will be worse next year and trust me I will be looking at decisions that our BOE makes as to how money is spent. You know me well enough to know that I do that.I'm Floored said:I agree 100%, Joe.
As far as "allowing" the teachers to take the break anyway, truly, I don't have a big problem with it. Sub pay is budgeted anyway. If teachers and staff are allowed a certain number of personal and sick days each year, those figures (including sub pay) have to be built into our budget. I know some will say that other teachers who don't have plans will just play hooky, but I guess I still like to believe that most people are honest and won't do that. And when it all comes down, I wholeheartedly believe that it will NOT be a huge number of teachers OR students who are absent that week. This decision gave ample time for rescheduling, and the vast majority of people are not stuck with non-refundable airline tickets. (Personally, I only know of one or two in my circle of friends who travel during that week anyway.)
I, too, cannot believe the number of people crying out for a waiver to be applied for. What is more surprising is that many of them are teachers or parents who, in the past, have been outspoken about children NEEDING every bit of classroom time they can get. But when it affects THEM negatively, the story changes. Like I posted, we had plans for that week (not the whole week, but plans nonetheless.) They can and will be changed. I took myself out of the equation, and looked at the BIG picture. I think this is best for our county school system as a whole.
Growing up, our school calendar always listed Spring Break as possible make-up days. Whether or not the days on our calendar were viewed that way or not, we've always known that those days could be selected for that purpose. To me, it just makes sense.
I have a lot of respect for teachers. Heck, if I'd not danced, I would have pursued my teaching certificate. But I have lost some respect for certain educators as they cry out for rebellion, threaten to use organizations (PAGE, GAE, etc.) to bully our board, and incite others to vote out our elected officials and fire our superintendent over this. I don't see the vote as "sneaky" at all. I see it as expedient. They don't need to "consult" the teachers, parents, etc. for opinions or ideas about what to do. We elected them to make the decisions. Again, I hate to "lose" the Winter Break, but I believe it was the best decision, and I'm glad they made it promptly. I'm also glad they didn't file for a waiver and force our students to LOSE 6 more days of instructional time.
JMO
No amount of trying to make this logical will do the trick for me. Money spent can't be recovered and treating those in the educational field differently is not a good idea. If your employees do not stay on the job, and choose to take a vacation instead, then maybe it is time to allow some of the folks who are desperate for work to have a shot at it. I did not take personal days when I worked unless they were needed. Can't get over the responses from some employees!Foxmeister said:newsjunky said:I don't often disagree with you but I will on this one. I don't care if the money is budgeted to pay for subs. The fact still remains that money should be conserved because it is in short supply. If teachers work when school is in session then the money does not get spent. I don't know what part of that folks don't get. here I am buying paper and sending it to school and some folks think it is OK for teachers to take vacation when school is in session. The budget will be worse next year and trust me I will be looking at decisions that our BOE makes as to how money is spent. You know me well enough to know that I do that.I'm Floored said:I agree 100%, Joe.
As far as "allowing" the teachers to take the break anyway, truly, I don't have a big problem with it. Sub pay is budgeted anyway. If teachers and staff are allowed a certain number of personal and sick days each year, those figures (including sub pay) have to be built into our budget. I know some will say that other teachers who don't have plans will just play hooky, but I guess I still like to believe that most people are honest and won't do that. And when it all comes down, I wholeheartedly believe that it will NOT be a huge number of teachers OR students who are absent that week. This decision gave ample time for rescheduling, and the vast majority of people are not stuck with non-refundable airline tickets. (Personally, I only know of one or two in my circle of friends who travel during that week anyway.)
I, too, cannot believe the number of people crying out for a waiver to be applied for. What is more surprising is that many of them are teachers or parents who, in the past, have been outspoken about children NEEDING every bit of classroom time they can get. But when it affects THEM negatively, the story changes. Like I posted, we had plans for that week (not the whole week, but plans nonetheless.) They can and will be changed. I took myself out of the equation, and looked at the BIG picture. I think this is best for our county school system as a whole.
Growing up, our school calendar always listed Spring Break as possible make-up days. Whether or not the days on our calendar were viewed that way or not, we've always known that those days could be selected for that purpose. To me, it just makes sense.
I have a lot of respect for teachers. Heck, if I'd not danced, I would have pursued my teaching certificate. But I have lost some respect for certain educators as they cry out for rebellion, threaten to use organizations (PAGE, GAE, etc.) to bully our board, and incite others to vote out our elected officials and fire our superintendent over this. I don't see the vote as "sneaky" at all. I see it as expedient. They don't need to "consult" the teachers, parents, etc. for opinions or ideas about what to do. We elected them to make the decisions. Again, I hate to "lose" the Winter Break, but I believe it was the best decision, and I'm glad they made it promptly. I'm also glad they didn't file for a waiver and force our students to LOSE 6 more days of instructional time.
JMO
I simply think it's wrong to allow teachers to take vacations during the school year. They can take their vacations during the scheduled breaks and summer like the students. The only days they should have off during the school year are the weekends, the scheduled breaks unless they change and a limited number of sick days. They should always be scheduled to be in the classroom when their students are scheduled to be in the classroom. This reduces the number of days you have to pay a teacher and the sub to take their place when they're not.
newsjunky said:I don't often disagree with you but I will on this one. I don't care if the money is budgeted to pay for subs. The fact still remains that money should be conserved because it is in short supply. If teachers work when school is in session then the money does not get spent. I don't know what part of that folks don't get. here I am buying paper and sending it to school and some folks think it is OK for teachers to take vacation when school is in session. The budget will be worse next year and trust me I will be looking at decisions that our BOE makes as to how money is spent. You know me well enough to know that I do that.