re: praying to the virgin mary

[mei lan]

As a Protestant, I have never ever understood this. It just didn't make sense to me, and I could never find a Biblical foundation for it, despite talking to many RC friends and watching hours of EWTN. But here is a description by a commenter on lucianne.com on a story about Pope Francis:

Catholics don´t pray TO Mary, they pray WITH her. Certainly you ask your loved ones to pray for you. Certainly you have a picture of a loved one in your pocket that you keep as a remembrance. There are NO Scriptures forbidding us to pray with our loved ones either dead or alive. It seems to me the difference lies in how Catholics and Protestants view the afterlife. Hebrews mentions a ´great cloud of witnesses.´ Catholics see this as those who have died and are alive in Christ and available for petitions.

WOW. I totally understand it now!!!

Original link to comment is http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=727155 (post #8).

 

[deewee]

An elderly lady I cared for explained it to me that they pray to Mary because they believe her to be without sin, like Jesus. She's the only catholic I've ever asked, so I've no clue if other Catholics believe that, or not. :shrug

 

[Madea]

When Genevieve returns, you should run this one by her. She's good at explaining. She'll be back after Easter.

 

[deewee]

When Genevieve returns, you should run this one by her. She's good at explaining. She'll be back after Easter.

Yay!!! I miss her!!!!

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

 

[ShoeDiva]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

 

[deewee]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

With or through, not to.

Is that why I've heard people say to "Mary"..."Put in a good word with your son"? I'm just wondering.

Why not just pray directly to God? It is one of the many benefits of being a child of God.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

With or through, not to.

Is that why I've heard people say to "Mary"..."Put in a good word with your son"? I'm just wondering.

Why not just pray directly to God? It is one of the many benefits of being a child of God.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

There are millions of examples that Catholics pray TO Mary. They also pray to Saints. It is what they do. They may ALSO pray "with" Mary at times, but they also pray to her. She is also referred to as "another intercessor", the Mother of God, and co-redemptrix of the universe. With titles like these, they don't just pray "with" her.

Again, I'm not intending all this to be hateful, just informational.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/why-do-we-pray-to-mary-6581

You can jump to the 7:30 mark if you feel free.

 

[ShoeDiva]

There are millions of examples that Catholics pray TO Mary. They also pray to Saints. It is what they do. They may ALSO pray "with" Mary at times, but they also pray to her. She is also referred to as "another intercessor", the Mother of God, and co-redemptrix of the universe. With titles like these, they don't just pray "with" her.

Again, I'm not intending all this to be hateful, just informational.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/why-do-we-pray-to-mary-6581

You can jump to the 7:30 mark if you feel free.

 

[deewee]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

With or through, not to.

Is that why I've heard people say to "Mary"..."Put in a good word with your son"? I'm just wondering.

Why not just pray directly to God? It is one of the many benefits of being a child of God.

She is like a prayer warrior. She can help "put in a good word" or "intercede" on our behalf. There is biblical reference to mother making a request to the King that he can not refuse and I believe that was how I learned about Mary and Jesus and that Mary being Jesus' mother ("Queen") she is not refused by Jesus her son.

But she has no more access to God that my grandfather in Heaven. She was human like the rest of us. There's also no biblical foundation for anyone interceding for us in Heaven, other than Jesus.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

With or through, not to.

Is that why I've heard people say to "Mary"..."Put in a good word with your son"? I'm just wondering.

Why not just pray directly to God? It is one of the many benefits of being a child of God.

She is like a prayer warrior. She can help "put in a good word" or "intercede" on our behalf. There is biblical reference to mother making a request to the King that he can not refuse and I believe that was how I learned about Mary and Jesus and that Mary being Jesus' mother ("Queen") she is not refused by Jesus her son.

But she has no more access to God that my grandfather in Heaven. She was human like the rest of us. There's also no biblical foundation for anyone interceding for us in Heaven, other than Jesus.

DW - This might help better explain it than I can. I have never been good at that! I do pray to Jesus, but I also ask Mary for help. They same as I would ask you.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Re: Re: re: praying to the virgin mary

There are millions of examples that Catholics pray TO Mary. They also pray to Saints. It is what they do. They may ALSO pray "with" Mary at times, but they also pray to her. She is also referred to as "another intercessor", the Mother of God, and co-redemptrix of the universe. With titles like these, they don't just pray "with" her.

Again, I'm not intending all this to be hateful, just informational.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/why-do-we-pray-to-mary-6581

You can jump to the 7:30 mark if you feel free.

Whatever. You inform anyone of anything you wish.....

I will. I will also believe what the Vatican says about this matter.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Re: Re: re: praying to the virgin mary

There are millions of examples that Catholics pray TO Mary. They also pray to Saints. It is what they do. They may ALSO pray "with" Mary at times, but they also pray to her. She is also referred to as "another intercessor", the Mother of God, and co-redemptrix of the universe. With titles like these, they don't just pray "with" her.

Again, I'm not intending all this to be hateful, just informational.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/why-do-we-pray-to-mary-6581

You can jump to the 7:30 mark if you feel free.

Whatever. You inform anyone of anything you wish.....

I will. I will also believe what the Vatican says about this matter.

Why do I even bother....I am done with BS.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

For everyone else interested.....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman_Catholic_Mariology#section_3

I don't know how else to stress the fact that I'm not being hateful or condemning toward this worship of Mary. I'm just presenting the facts. If others choose not to believe what is said, that's fine but the facts speak for themselves. If anyone wants to turn the tone, please don't engage in the conversion. I'm not here to argue about this or condemn Catholic believers.

 

[ShoeDiva]

For everyone else interested.....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman_Catholic_Mariology#section_3

I don't know how else to stress the fact that I'm not being hateful or condemning toward this worship of Mary. I'm just presenting the facts. If others choose not to believe what is said, that's fine but the facts speak for themselves. If anyone wants to turn the tone, please don't engage in the conversion. I'm not here to argue about this or condemn Catholic believers.

I can engage anywhere I want and it was beautiful MeiLans topic that I came into, if it was yours I would have stayed away.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

And as always, you've changed the tone. Thanks.

Walking away, smh, feeling stupid I thought this would be any different.

 

[ShoeDiva]

And as always, you've changed the tone. Thanks.

Walking away, smh, feeling stupid I thought this would be any different.

Funny, I always feel the same way about you.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Shocking

 

[deewee]

Catholics do believe in praying to Mary. Half of my family is Catholic for what it's worth. I was raised early on to be one too. They believe she was without sin like Jesus and ascended into Heaven. They believe that who better to ask to petition Jesus than His mother herself? No biblical reasoning behind that one. Scripture clearly says we have but ONE person to petition the Father in Heaven and that is the man of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. We have access directly with Jesus who mediates for us. Nobody is needed between us and Christ.

I don't say this to insult or mock anything of Catholism or anyone who is a Catholic. I just post what I believe the Bible says to be and not what someone else says it to be. :love

With or through, not to.

Is that why I've heard people say to "Mary"..."Put in a good word with your son"? I'm just wondering.

Why not just pray directly to God? It is one of the many benefits of being a child of God.

She is like a prayer warrior. She can help "put in a good word" or "intercede" on our behalf. There is biblical reference to mother making a request to the King that he can not refuse and I believe that was how I learned about Mary and Jesus and that Mary being Jesus' mother ("Queen") she is not refused by Jesus her son.

But she has no more access to God that my grandfather in Heaven. She was human like the rest of us. There's also no biblical foundation for anyone interceding for us in Heaven, other than Jesus.

DW - This might help better explain it than I can. I have never been good at that! I do pray to Jesus, but I also ask Mary for help. They same as I would ask you.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

I believe much of what is written there, as in verses listed in support of the explanation, is an example of taking scripture beyond it's intent.