I'm cherry picking? What did you just do? You're leaving out the scores of liberals and RINOs he bashed.
This is not the time.
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cptlo
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No, I mean exactly what I wrote, not your interpretation of it.
Not to mention the Trump haters. They are the guy on the football team who intentionally fumbles the ball so the other team can retrieve.
cptlo
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You said that the GOP needs more real conservatives in leadership. I pointed out that Trump bashed some of the real conservatives that could have been in more leadership roles. Bashing liberals and RINOs is to be expected and does help the GOP. Trump should be credited for doing that but he should also be criticized for bashing real conservatives. That bashing increases the chances of less conservative leadership that you talked about earlier.
He hasn't kept any real conservatives from being in leadership.
I doubt he's kept anyone from being in leadership
Boss 302
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You are so blind when it comes to Trump. The red wave in 2022 is a prime example of what cptlo is talking about.
It's totally ignorant to think Trump's endorsements caused anyone to lose. This is the Trump hate talking again. Who is blind?
And he said leadership. Newbies would not be in leadership.
Trump-Backed Candidates Win Key Primaries—But Ohio Victory Could Help Democrats
Trump’s endorsed candidates won primaries in Ohio, Illinois and California—but Democrats believe they have a better chance at beating his Senate pick in Ohio in November.
www.forbes.com
cptlo
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Some of the Trump endorsed candidates beat out other Republicans during the primaries in 2022. Some of those were weaker overall candidates and lost to the Democrats in the 2022 election. This resulted in fewer Republicans in Congress and no red wave that was predicted in 2022. Fewer Republicans in the House means weaker Republican leadership.
Trump seems to mostly reserve his endorsements for those that kiss his ass instead of focusing on those more likely to beat democrats and those that are more conservative.
Boss 302
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You are correct. Instead of gaining seats in the Senate, the Republicans lost one. The Dems gained two Senate seats in 2021 when Trump's endorsed Senate candidates in Georgia lost. The Trump-endorsed Dr. Oz lost to Fetterman in PA, resulting in the Republicans losing a seat in the Senate, giving the Democrats the majority. Oz beat McCormick (the GOP favorite) by 0.1% in a field of 7. Another interesting fact is that Oz won the primary with only 31.2% of the vote. Almost 70% voted against Trump's choice.
“The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has a tremendous opportunity to Save America by electing the brilliant and well-known Dr. Mehmet Oz for the United States Senate,” Trump said, in part. Later, at a rally in North Carolina, he said: “You know, when you’re in television for 18 years, that’s like a poll. That means people like you.”
Obviously, Trump was wrong. Fetterman beat Oz by 5%. I won't be surprised if I'm called a "hater" because I posted facts.
If supporting Trump's agenda is kissing his ass, then I guess you're right.
Trump endorsed DeSantis for governor, and DeSantis won. DeSantis is a conservative.
Trump endorsed Sarah Sanders for Governor and she won. Another conservative.
Trump endorsed Glen Youngkin, and he won. He's pretty conservative
Trump endorsed Geg Abbot, and he won. Another conservative.
Trump endorsed Rick Scott, who won. Conservative
Trump endorsed Kristy Noem, and she won. She's pretty conservative
Trump endorsed Asa Hutchenson, who won. He's pretty conservative
Trump endorsed Ted Cruz, who won. One of the most solid conservatives in congress.
I could go on, but it seems like Trump has endorsed a bunch of conservatives who are working for us, either in congress or governorships. Seems to me he's possibly helped the GOP become MORE conservative.
There is zero evidence that Trump's endorsement caused them to lose. More likely, it was the largely unregulated mail-in ballot mess that put the Dems in their spots.
Them losing because of Trump was the media spin to blame Trump, and you have clearly bought into it.
cptlo
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There is zero evidence that Trump's endorsement caused them to win. Most, if not all of those, would have won without Trump's endorsement.
Them winning because of Trump was the MAGA spin to praise Trump, and you have clearly bought into it.
Boss 302
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Let's just take Greg Abbott as an example of what you pointed out. Abbott was appointed to the Texas Supreme Court in 1995 by Governor George W. Bush. Abbott served on the court until 2001 when he ran for Texas Attorney General. He was elected to that post in 2002 with 57% of the vote. He was reelected with 60% of the vote in 2006 and again in 2010 with 64%. He was elected governor in 2014, beating his Democratic opponent by 21%. Trump did not endorse Abbott in that election. Trump endorsed Abbott for reelection. Did Abbott really need Trump's endorsement to win? Not hardly.
There is zero evidence that Trump's endorsement caused them to win. Most, if not all of those, would have won without Trump's endorsement.
Them winning because of Trump was the MAGA spin to praise Trump, and you have clearly bought into it.
And most of the ones he endorsed and lost would have lost either way.
There is zero evidence that Trump's endorsement caused them to win. Most, if not all of those, would have won without Trump's endorsement.
Them winning because of Trump was the MAGA spin to praise Trump, and you have clearly bought into it.
Thanks for realizing Trump's endorsements likely had little effect either way, which makes your original point moot.
Trump didn't make the GOP less conservative at all, they were pretty worthless long before Trump threw his hat into the ring. I stopped supporting them while Dubya was president; they had the White House and both houses of congress, and they spent like drunken sailors.
We all know Trump has a lot of issues, no one here has said otherwise. I've already stated many times that I don't care for Republicans bashing each other; I like the Regain "11th Commandment" when it comes to that. But the mouthy thing is just part of who Trump is, and to be fair, it's not just him. A lot of Republicans have been downright ugly when it comes to Trump, and that only helps the Democrats.
This constant bashing of Trump is just as bad as him doing it. And what's with all this negativity? Y'all are convinced Trump will lose and Congress with turn blue again, and it's just because you don't like Trump. Trump is just a player, there's a batter for our country that is way bigger than one man.
Boss 302
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I already gave you one example of a Trump endorsement that cost the Republicans a Senate seat. Pennsylvania. How many more do you need to see?
Prove Trump's endorsement caused him to lose.
cptlo
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Sigh. This isn't that complicated. As I said in another post, some of Trump's endorsed candidates won in their primaries but lost in the general. Some of the non-Trump endorsed candidates that lost in the primaries were better overall candidates.
If Trump really cared about conservatism, he would be praising and endorsing people like Chip Roy and Thomas Massie.
Negative. Anyone here bashing Trump has no impact. Trump bashing others usually causes his followers to also bash those people regardless if they deserve it or not. Again, this isn't that complicated.
It's true that I don't like Trump but my dislike for him is not why I think he'll lose and likely turn over Congress to the dems. His negatives are way high and he's done nothing since 2020 to earn more votes (in fact, it is just the opposite). The only thing Trump has going for him right now is that Biden is a terrible POTUS who probably doesn't even know his name any longer. Put Trump against someone else (which I still think will happen) and Trump loses the general election by an even larger margin. Maybe I'm wrong...time will tell, but please don't keep suggesting my opinions of Trump are clouding my judgement of the entire situation.
Maybe old Marge isn’t too far off on her assessment of Johnson. I watched a recent clip of her interview with Tucker and she actually sounded very reasonable (granted it could have been a complete AI generated spoof, it’s hard to tell these days). Anyhow, this article seems to reveal a surprising position of our Republican “leader”:
I find it interesting that some of us who have been complaining for years that the GOP wasn't conservative enough, are now criticizing the more conservative members of congress for trying to take a stand against the RINOs.
Y'all think about that for a bit.
While I agree that MTG is greatly lacking in tact, she has been a solid conservative and what you see is what you get.
Y'all think about that for a bit.
While I agree that MTG is greatly lacking in tact, she has been a solid conservative and what you see is what you get.