Well, isn't that classy of her

jenilyn said:
Due to the fact that I am hugely politically outnumbered here, and the fact that I'm tired of debating about Trump in general, I will just simply say that for an innocent guy, he sure does act guilty.
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Seriously...it's OK that you disagree with us. You're almost always civil and decent about it, and that kind of debate is welcome here.

Many of us will agree with you on some things, like Trump being a jerk and stuff.
 
Your boss is an idiot. There, I said it. But if he's a good boss, he knows he's an idiot.

What do I mean? The top guy is supposed to look at the big picture. His job is to surround himself with experts in their fields, listen to them, take their advice, put all that advice together, and point in a direction. He isn't even supposed to know how you do your job, just that you are good at it. Bosses almost never catch mistakes, underlings do. This is because expertise narrows as you go deeper down. If you are a contractor, your lead carpenter is better than you at carpentry, and he will hopefully catch your mistakes before they cost you money. This is a universal truth in any organization.

For all of his flair and pokes at others, Elon Musk is the prototype leader. He has a vision and he relays that vision so well that people throw money at him and the brightest minds want nothing more than to be a part of that vision. Elon doesn't try to build cars or spaceships himself.

Compare that to Trump. He insists he is the smartest guy in the room across the board. He arguably picks people in the administration according to how superior they make him feel, how well he can control them, not how good they are at what they are supposed to do. He berates them publicly. He treats them like children, because he himself is a spoiled child and he can imagine nothing else. He surrounds himself with yes men, not the top men in their fields. If he hires an expert whose opinion in his area of expertise differs from Trump's, that expert is fired or quit in disgust.

The fact that Trump is an asshole really isn't that relevant. The fact that he believes himself omnipotent and acts on that belief even in the face of near universal opposition from those who know better, is dangerous. He's a terrible leader. But none of that is illegal. We got who we voted for.
 
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Just my opinion...

The image of President Trump in the post above is more the image the media paints of President Trump...
Than the real truth of the man.

IMO our country would be a LOT better off... if folks would learn to sort out what the media tries to manipulate (used that word intentionally) us into believing... :)
 
JawJa said:
Just my opinion...

The image of President Trump in the post above is more the image the media paints of President Trump...
Than the real truth of the man.

IMO our country would be a LOT better off... if folks would learn to sort out what the media tries to manipulate (used that word intentionally) us into believing... :)
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Well it may be your opinion, and they dont like him, but it also in most cases happens to be the truth. He is that guy, and his own statements and actions show it. That truth is indeed exagerated by the left, and those very real foibles are amplified and examined ad nauseum.

I don't get much of my information about the President from the MSM. I don't watch cable news or listen to talk radio. I subscribe to a lot of journals instead of many magazines. Any blogs I read are written by acknowledged experts in their fields, or are hosted, which means they are a mix of fact and opinion, but offered by those with specialized knowledge. I've read far too many books in subjects I like.

I believe my opinion to be fairly well informed on matters of international relations, the Constitution and it's origins, science, and economics. I'll remain a student until I die. I don't believe things because I have read books and studies that always agree, they don't, but those sources are authored by experts who have a very informed perspective on the subject. They may have a unique education or set of experiences, or both that qualify them to speak on that subject. They have done actual mind numbing original research or have great experience. Sitting behind a desk in front of a camera, behind a microphone, or having access to the internet of things isn't the kind of experience I personally seek.

Of course my opinion on these things is just that, my opinion, unless I can follow it with studies and opinions of experts who are in agreement, then I am giving voice to their opinions. My personal opinion is worth nothing more than anyone's, but it doesn't come from what is commonly called the "media". Of course everyone loves a good meme, there is that.
 
LTD...
Being an 'outsider' at this forum... I try to not get too focused in a political discussion... call it respect for the long timers... :)
Having said that...

IMO: the conservative mind understands a higher authority than ones own mind...
The liberal mind allows itself to think "I" and "my opinion" are the end all of that elusive thing called truth.

Now lets take a look at logic for a moment:
There are, in the state of GA, something between 9 and 10 million folks...
And it would seem logical to assume (yeah, that word... grin)...
Each of them has an opinion...
Now while one can use statistics to group those opinions into groups... and interpret them into trends...
It remains there are still over 9 million opinions.

So HOW could all 9 million of those diverse opinions ALL be truth???
Unless truth is not a finite thing???

I will leave you to consider this for a few hours (or more)...
My phone rang a bit ago... have 2x customers without AC today (yeah, it is getting warm enough for AC)...
And this smart business person takes care of their customers... grin!

I will offer a thought:
Do not exert too many neurons on this thought process during the day...
As it is a BEAUTIFUL day outside...
And we may not get many of these until March or April...
So ENJOY the day while it lasts...
Grin!
 
JawJa said:
LTD...
Being an 'outsider' at this forum... I try to not get too focused in a political discussion... call it respect for the long timers... :)
Having said that...

IMO: the conservative mind understands a higher authority than ones own mind...
The liberal mind allows itself to think "I" and "my opinion" are the end all of that elusive thing called truth.

Now lets take a look at logic for a moment:
There are, in the state of GA, something between 9 and 10 million folks...
And it would seem logical to assume (yeah, that word... grin)...
Each of them has an opinion...
Now while one can use statistics to group those opinions into groups... and interpret them into trends...
It remains there are still over 9 million opinions.

So HOW could all 9 million of those diverse opinions ALL be truth???
Unless truth is not a finite thing???

I will leave you to consider this for a few hours (or more)...
My phone rang a bit ago... have 2x customers without AC today (yeah, it is getting warm enough for AC)...
And this smart business person takes care of their customers... grin!

I will offer a thought:
Do not exert too many neurons on this thought process during the day...
As it is a BEAUTIFUL day outside...
And we may not get many of these until March or April...
So ENJOY the day while it lasts...
Grin!
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There is an objective truth here. That is what is supported by evidence. Look at the evidence. That's what I try to do every day.

The truth doesn't care what anyone believes.
 
How about I agree to disagree...
And leave it at that for now...

Grin!

At another forum... which is not near as professional as this one...
Folks tend to get into heated discussions... which turn into p**ing matches...
And someone gets a warning... which they sometimes pay attention to and sometimes do not, resulting in a 'mandatory vacation'... seen it happen literally dozens and dozens of times in the 15+ years I have been a posting member of that forum... and I have never even been warned... :)
Why...
Because of a simple rule I follow:
When I feel myself getting excited about something...
'Push the keyboard away and go do something else' :)

So... GA (me) is gonna push the keyboard away and go do something else...
Like take care of those customers... grin!

Now for a little playful jab:
Like Trump... GA (me) really does not care what others think...
Grin!

And with that... time to go take care of those customers...
Enjoy the sunshine!
 
JawJa said:
How about I agree to disagree...
And leave it at that for now...

Grin!

At another forum... which is not near as professional as this one...
Folks tend to get into heated discussions... which turn into p**ing matches...
And someone gets a warning... which they sometimes pay attention to and sometimes do not, resulting in a 'mandatory vacation'... seen it happen literally dozens and dozens of times in the 15+ years I have been a posting member of that forum... and I have never even been warned... :)
Why...
Because of a simple rule I follow:
When I feel myself getting excited about something...
'Push the keyboard away and go do something else' :)

So... GA (me) is gonna push the keyboard away and go do something else...
Like take care of those customers... grin!

Now for a little playful jab:
Like Trump... GA (me) really does not care what others think...
Grin!

And with that... time to go take care of those customers...
Enjoy the sunshine!
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Enjoy your day!
 
I don't disagree with many of the points above concerning Trump. As many of you will recall, I was vehemently opposed to him during the primaries, and most of my reasons were exactly what we are seeing today. He's pompous and rude, he's an egomaniac, etc. I knew that he would be a very polarizing figure.

At the same time, it's hard to argue that he's made some good decisions and gotten some things done that has had a positive effect on this country. Honestly, I do not see that he's intentionally done anything to weaken or damage the country. We can question the wisdom of some of his actions, such as the tariffs; but I think his intent was good whether he pulls it off or not. So even though he's a jerk, I do think he loves our country and wants what's best for it, whether I agree with all his ideas or not.

Yet again, it goes back to the fact that we were realistically given the choice between two very flawed candidates. Hillary was/is at least as unpopular and polarizing as Trump, and she had a very different agenda for the country, one which I think would have done great damage and likely put us in an even deeper economic mess. She would have appointed radicals to the court, and that could have finally opened the door for the Constitution to be perverted far more than it already has been. I honestly think our country could have been damaged beyond repair had Hillary won.

I get why people are upset with Trump. But instead of the people of this country focusing so much of our energy on hating the man, why can't we go after the broken system that got us here? We know for fact that both sides used social media trolls to destroy other candidates and fill people's heads full of crap. We know for fact that the Democrats cheated in the primaries to get Hillary the nomination. We know for fact that other countries meddles in our elections (whether there was collusion or not). We know for fact that there is YUGE special interest money influencing our elections and buying off our elected official, and I will go as far as to say that some of this money is from people who are not our friends.

But instead, we hate on the president and fight among ourselves. Is this productive, and are we solving anything by it?
 
My main point for 'hating' on Trump is that I think he could be a much more effective President if not for his personality and "I know everything" attitude. Sure, you could argue that this is what got him elected and there is some truth to that. However, we all know there is a huge difference between getting elected and governing. During an election, ALL politicians promise stuff that they, and their supporters with an IQ over 50, know will never happen. Once elected, they have to work with others to get things done...that is how our republic works.
 
Guard Dad said:
I don't disagree with many of the points above concerning Trump. As many of you will recall, I was vehemently opposed to him during the primaries, and most of my reasons were exactly what we are seeing today. He's pompous and rude, he's an egomaniac, etc. I knew that he would be a very polarizing figure.

At the same time, it's hard to argue that he's made some good decisions and gotten some things done that has had a positive effect on this country. Honestly, I do not see that he's intentionally done anything to weaken or damage the country. We can question the wisdom of some of his actions, such as the tariffs; but I think his intent was good whether he pulls it off or not. So even though he's a jerk, I do think he loves our country and wants what's best for it, whether I agree with all his ideas or not.

Yet again, it goes back to the fact that we were realistically given the choice between two very flawed candidates. Hillary was/is at least as unpopular and polarizing as Trump, and she had a very different agenda for the country, one which I think would have done great damage and likely put us in an even deeper economic mess. She would have appointed radicals to the court, and that could have finally opened the door for the Constitution to be perverted far more than it already has been. I honestly think our country could have been damaged beyond repair had Hillary won.

I get why people are upset with Trump. But instead of the people of this country focusing so much of our energy on hating the man, why can't we go after the broken system that got us here? We know for fact that both sides used social media trolls to destroy other candidates and fill people's heads full of crap. We know for fact that the Democrats cheated in the primaries to get Hillary the nomination. We know for fact that other countries meddles in our elections (whether there was collusion or not). We know for fact that there is YUGE special interest money influencing our elections and buying off our elected official, and I will go as far as to say that some of this money is from people who are not our friends.

But instead, we hate on the president and fight among ourselves. Is this productive, and are we solving anything by it?
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Nothing typed here in this forum will ever "solve" anything. ;) But if your question is if challenging the President when he is clearly wrong is a good thing, my answer is yes. If your question is if publicly comparing his female conquests to Kennedy and Clinton is useful, the answer is no. Honestly the same with Obama's college transcripts and his non policy flaws.

You also mentioned intent, and I don't believe he consciously and knowledgeably makes bad decisions. His decisions are guided by the dangerous combination of his superiority complex and his ignorance. I don't think there is harmful intent there.
 
cptlo306 said:
My main point for 'hating' on Trump is that I think he could be a much more effective President if not for his personality and "I know everything" attitude. Sure, you could argue that this is what got him elected and there is some truth to that. However, we all know there is a huge difference between getting elected and governing. During an election, ALL politicians promise stuff that they, and their supporters with an IQ over 50, know will never happen. Once elected, they have to work with others to get things done...that is how our republic works.
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I don't disagree, but I think this is who he is and it's not going to change.

So it is what it is for at least two more years, and then we'll see what happens in the next election. The GOP will likely run another establishment goon, and the Dems will run a radical Socialist, so it wouldn't surprise me if Trump won again. Trump's true supporters will stand behind him.

BTW...I don't think you 'hate' on Trump, I'm referring to people like the goons over at P'Scum who have devoted their lives to being outraged at every little thing the man says and does. Trump could cure cancer and they would find something about it to criticize him over.
 
lotstodo said:
Nothing typed here in this forum will ever "solve" anything. ;) But if your question is if challenging the President when he is clearly wrong is a good thing, my answer is yes. If your question is if publicly comparing his female conquests to Kennedy and Clinton is useful, the answer is no. Honestly the same with Obama's college transcripts and his non policy flaws.

You also mentioned intent, and I don't believe he consciously and knowledgeably makes bad decisions. His decisions are guided by the dangerous combination of his superiority complex and his ignorance. I don't think there is harmful intent there.
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Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him. See my post above for what I was referring to.
 
It’s a far stretch to label Tump ignorant. He may be many things, including rude and socially unacceptable, but he’s far from ignorant. I would venture to say his lifelong accomplishments far exceed that of an ignorant person. Then again, that statement is relative. I wonder how many here or within our circles have matched in their endeavors.
 
J-man said:
It’s a far stretch to label Tump ignorant. He may be many things, including rude and socially unacceptable, but he’s far from ignorant. I would venture to say his lifelong accomplishments far exceed that of an ignorant person. Then again, that statement is relative. I wonder how many here or within our circles have matched in their endeavors.
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I agree, and I scratch my head at the people who say he's stupid. He's many things, but stupid or ignorant aren't among them.
 
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