School shooting in TX elementary school

I've never been in LE so I will not offer my opinion until after the investigation is complete. We already know the outcome so it's easy to say what should have been done. It's more difficult to make that decision during an active shooter scenario. I'm hoping there was existing protocol and, if so, that it was followed. I'm afraid it isn't the case though. I feel so bad for the parents, relatives, and LE officials.
 
cptlo said:
If the reports are true, he was barricaded in a room with students that he was shooting. Again, if all this is accurate, I can't imagine being outside that room and hearing gunshots knowing that each gunshot probably meant another dead child.
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Another report says they could not find the key to the door, so they knew where he was. Another thing about rushing the school with an active shooter is, you need to know what he looks like lest you start shooting male teachers or the janitor. If the shooting had stopped, if he had shot the kids and teacher,,, then they had him cornered in the room and had time to capture or kill him. Again,a timeline of events is needed before the police and border patrol are crucified.
 
Paxilpapa said:
Another report says they could not find the key to the door, so they knew where he was. Another thing about rushing the school with an active shooter is, you need to know what he looks like lest you start shooting male teachers or the janitor. If the shooting had stopped, if he had shot the kids and teacher,,, then they had him cornered in the room and had time to capture or kill him. Again,a timeline of events is needed before the police and border patrol are crucified.
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The classroom door or the building door? I wonder if the building went into lockdown and the doors autolocked. The office staff may have been hiding and forgot the cops needed the doors open to respond.
 
The Sound Guy said:
The classroom door or the building door? I wonder if the building went into lockdown and the doors autolocked. The office staff may have been hiding and forgot the cops needed the doors open to respond.
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I have heard he locked the classroom door, which was the key they needed, and barricaded himself in the room. What actually happened remains to be seen. We have not heard much of anything about the hundred or so children and teachers that were saved,,, there is a lot to this that is not being reported.
 
The Sound Guy said:
The classroom door or the building door? I wonder if the building went into lockdown and the doors autolocked. The office staff may have been hiding and forgot the cops needed the doors open to respond.
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The janitor and principal always had the master key, I would have thought they would have met the police and given them the keys... really odd.

At the hotel we have an emergency master key in case the police or fire need to access rooms in an emergency. It is just part of what you have prepared. We had the police show up unexpectedly for a wellness check that someone had called in on someone who had checked into the hotel. We immediately gave the police the emergency key so if they needed, they could access any room.
 
J-man said:
Key be damned, knock the door down should the decision to go in be made.
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I was thinking they could always shoot the lock, but what if he put kids by the door.

If it was almost an hour, that is just not going to cut it. Heads are going to explode and lawsuits will ensue.
 
Far West said:
I was thinking they could always shoot the lock, but what if he put kids by the door.

If it was almost an hour, that is just not going to cut it. Heads are going to explode and lawsuits will ensue.
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I'm wondering if the doors opened out to the hallway or into the room. If out, the hingepins were right there. if in, then they police usually have the entry tools in the cars don't they? Or is that only when doing no-knock warrants? I'll have to ask my friends who are cobb police.

If they do open into the room, I'd love to know how they get that past the building codes. I can't imagine having kids in a room panic and rush to the door and then try to get it open against them pushing out.
 
The Sound Guy said:
I'm wondering if the doors opened out to the hallway or into the room. If out, the hingepins were right there. if in, then they police usually have the entry tools in the cars don't they? Or is that only when doing no-knock warrants? I'll have to ask my friends who are cobb police.

If they do open into the room, I'd love to know how they get that past the building codes. I can't imagine having kids in a room panic and rush to the door and then try to get it open against them pushing out.
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Opening out makes sense for fire safety.
 
Man, the news stories are all over the place. Forget accuracy, just get a story out.

I found this one that was sad, according to it the locked area was a dual classroom and the police entered the one where the guy was not, but when the kids cried out for help, he shot where they were hiding. That's why they blasted him.

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At least one child who died on Tuesday was shot because she called out for help.

A student who survived Tuesday's massacre said that he and four others hid themselves from the shooter by taking cover under a table cloth. However, when police arrived, one child's response to their commands left her dead, according to KENS5.

“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help,'" the child told police. "The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

Police were slow to enter the building, with new evidence suggesting they waited almost an hour before making the decision. It’s unclear when the shooter began killing students.

Besides hiding under the tablecloth, the child said his teachers, Irma Garcia and Eva Mireles tried to help protect his classmates.

“They were nice teachers,” he said. “They went in front of my classmates to help. To save them.”
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UVALDE, Texas — The elite tactical agents in the U.S. Border Patrol credited with taking down the gunman in Tuesday’s mass shooting at Robb Elementary School recognized that they were attempting a “suicide” mission but took action in spite of that, according to a senior Homeland Security official.

Parents on scene outside the school amid the chaos criticized law enforcement outside for taking too long to act, but a senior federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation into the incident told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that the Border Patrol agents on site that day had been appointed by the local and state law enforcement on site to lead that aspect of the response.
 
There is a fine line between mental illness and pure evil sometimes. This just seems evil to me. It disgusts me, breaks my heart and makes me extremely mad at the same time. I am pro blue so I hope these LEO's were not as incompetent as some of these scenarios seem to indicate. Congratulations to the Border Patrol officer that ended it. I am sure it weighs on him to have had to eliminate the threat even under those circumstances. Well done sir.
 
There are so many conflicting reports. If the gunman was locked in a classroom shooting kids, it would have been foolish to let the parents or anyone other than LE into the building. That's for safety. One thing schools could do is rebuild their entrances so that when someone enters through the entrance, they can't go any further because the other doors are locked and only unlocked to allow the students to enter in the morning and then leave at the end of the day. A school resource officer should be up at the offices where the entry control point is established. I could go on, but school districts need to be proactive in looking for ways to keep their buildings secure so things like this don't happen.
 
Most of us got bullied at some point. I'm not condoning it, but it's part of being a kid. Good parents compensate by making sure their child is loved and esteemed. We always made sure our child knew she was loved and valued. Children must be taught to love themselves as well.

If there's a wake-up call in these situations, it's that the American family is messed up and we need to fix it. Sadly, government is a big part of the problem. Teaching kids that they are inherently racist and pushing them to change their gender and sexual preferences is screwing them up. The American people have got to rise up and put a stop to this nonsense!
 
cptlo said:
I suspect getting bullied these days is much different than when any of us were kids (especially all you really old folks :D ). There was no social media back then so bullying ended when the school day ended. Now kids can be bullied on social media 24/7.
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Back in my day, if someone was bullying another, we would gang up on the bully. No more bully.
 
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